Unreal summer steelhead day

Headline: I caught not one, not two, but three summer steelhead on the swung fly yesterday.

The fish counts are off the charts this year compared to recent history. It seems fish can be caught when they exist. Is this what it was like in the 80s?


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The story - I floated several miles on a well known river. It was my first time fishing it at all, let alone for steelhead. I launched just after first light. It was overcast with a tiny drizzle, and bit of wildfire haze. The high temps were forecast around 80, the clouds didn't break until nearly noon.

There was no one around. I expected people in every run. With fish counts like this, why was it so empty? I'll never know… I got my pick of every run for the first two hours. Eventually I did have a drift boat with gear guys pass me, then hopped them back and forth a couple times.

I came to the first run only about 150 yards below the launch. It was a deep gut that came into a nice little tailout. The outside was heavy current and deep, but tapered out nicely. I had planned to throw a skagit + floating tip + tapered leader + wet fly, but I just couldn't cast it well. I need more practice, so I switched to my other rod which was a skagit + t8 and a hobo spey, black and blue. This fly is now nicknamed the ‘steelie bum’. Sure enough, hooked a nice little hatchery fish in the tailout. I actually thought it was a stick at first, and I pulled up instead of to the side and hooked it in the top of the mouth. Was buried deep, but lessoned learned on the softer grabs. That made my day, I was only an hour in! A no fish day is a good day, so mission accomplished!

Fish number two came in the very next run. It was on a wide sweeping bend, current seam on the far side and a nice cobble beach on the inside. At the far end was a deep pool where the water boiled before the tailout. Casting as far as I could to the far side, letting the fly sink into the seam, then swinging into the soft water. I actually fished it like winter, casting at 90 degrees with a big upstream mend at 45 degrees. This fish came about 60% of the way through the run, was a much better fish than the first and gave me a couple good jumps and alligator rolls.

Another run or two later, the guys in the drift boat passed and I was pleased to report I had caught two already (it was 9 am). They hadn't had any action. Hell of a day already. They headed down the river. I finished up that piece of water and headed on behind them.

In the next run, really long and somewhat froggy, too much water to confidently swing for me, could have spent all day there… they were back drifting plugs on river left. I took the right and was going to pass them all the way to the next run. But the tailout called to me. The next rapid was bigger than the ones before it and I thought just maybe some fish had rested above it. I had caught two fish on one rod already, so I moved the sink tip and fly to my other rod just to see if I could get some action on it too (new rod!). I casted pretty short, I didn't want those other guys to feel like I was fishing in front of them - they were a long ways off and I couldn't have hit them with my best cast, but still, I wanted to play fair. Sure enough, fish number three hooked up and came flying out of the water right away. I heard the boat guys say "woah!". I fought him a good while to tire him out. No net, so all the fish had to be landed by hand - this one was not easy, he didn't want to give up.

Just an unreal day, one that will quite possibly never happen again. I've only ever hooked 3 - (landed one, touched a second, and a third broke me off) - before yesterday. Now I've doubled my count. What the actual hell? The current fish counts are high, but maybe the future is bright? A guy can dream and keep swinging.
 
Not gonna ask which river you hit, so that means I’ll have to be out on all four of the rivers with big hatchery runs this summer as much as I can to find it for myself.

Any fly/tip/polyleader suggestions for a guy wanting to use a single hand 8 wt?
 
are we sure this isnt Evan Burks fake account.....I mean, doppleganger..

Great job on a great day on the river. To add some context, we still have a GIANT hole to climb out of to be "off the charts". We're looking at the best counts so far since 2016 but dont go look at 2007-2014...holy fak
Not sure who Evan Burk is. Evan Burck only has three steelhead days when he dirt bags on the Columbia... Like at this very moment.
 
Maybe try a rage? I know the fancier fishermen poo-poo them, but they work and one of the reasons they were made was specifically for folks coming off of skagit lines. I use a rage with an intermediate or sink 3 polyleader for most summer work. The intermediate handles the classic hairwings/muddlers and can even fish a skater or a hitched fly if you turn your casts over well. The sink 3 poly can handle small intruders and tube flies and give you a little depth. A good angler can even throw a rage with T-8 or T-11 in the heavier sizes some people use them in winter.

I acknowledge that throwing a longer line is more efficient, but you have to learn how to throw it at some point. The rage lets you hit the ground running (you can snap-t it) and you can throw most flies with it, while finer lines can limit your fly selection, unless you are particularly skilled. It also does a bit better in the wind with a polyleader.
 
Headline: I caught not one, not two, but three summer steelhead on the swung fly yesterday.

The fish counts are off the charts this year compared to recent history. It seems fish can be caught when they exist. Is this what it was like in the 80s?


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The story - I floated several miles on a well known river. It was my first time fishing it at all, let alone for steelhead. I launched just after first light. It was overcast with a tiny drizzle, and bit of wildfire haze. The high temps were forecast around 80, the clouds didn't break until nearly noon.

There was no one around. I expected people in every run. With fish counts like this, why was it so empty? I'll never know… I got my pick of every run for the first two hours. Eventually I did have a drift boat with gear guys pass me, then hopped them back and forth a couple times.

I came to the first run only about 150 yards below the launch. It was a deep gut that came into a nice little tailout. The outside was heavy current and deep, but tapered out nicely. I had planned to throw a skagit + floating tip + tapered leader + wet fly, but I just couldn't cast it well. I need more practice, so I switched to my other rod which was a skagit + t8 and a hobo spey, black and blue. This fly is now nicknamed the ‘steelie bum’. Sure enough, hooked a nice little hatchery fish in the tailout. I actually thought it was a stick at first, and I pulled up instead of to the side and hooked it in the top of the mouth. Was buried deep, but lessoned learned on the softer grabs. That made my day, I was only an hour in! A no fish day is a good day, so mission accomplished!

Fish number two came in the very next run. It was on a wide sweeping bend, current seam on the far side and a nice cobble beach on the inside. At the far end was a deep pool where the water boiled before the tailout. Casting as far as I could to the far side, letting the fly sink into the seam, then swinging into the soft water. I actually fished it like winter, casting at 90 degrees with a big upstream mend at 45 degrees. This fish came about 60% of the way through the run, was a much better fish than the first and gave me a couple good jumps and alligator rolls.

Another run or two later, the guys in the drift boat passed and I was pleased to report I had caught two already (it was 9 am). They hadn't had any action. Hell of a day already. They headed down the river. I finished up that piece of water and headed on behind them.

In the next run, really long and somewhat froggy, too much water to confidently swing for me, could have spent all day there… they were back drifting plugs on river left. I took the right and was going to pass them all the way to the next run. But the tailout called to me. The next rapid was bigger than the ones before it and I thought just maybe some fish had rested above it. I had caught two fish on one rod already, so I moved the sink tip and fly to my other rod just to see if I could get some action on it too (new rod!). I casted pretty short, I didn't want those other guys to feel like I was fishing in front of them - they were a long ways off and I couldn't have hit them with my best cast, but still, I wanted to play fair. Sure enough, fish number three hooked up and came flying out of the water right away. I heard the boat guys say "woah!". I fought him a good while to tire him out. No net, so all the fish had to be landed by hand - this one was not easy, he didn't want to give up.

Just an unreal day, one that will quite possibly never happen again. I've only ever hooked 3 - (landed one, touched a second, and a third broke me off) - before yesterday. Now I've doubled my count. What the actual hell? The current fish counts are high, but maybe the future is bright? A guy can dream and keep swinging.
Killer story! Vivid account! Great job fishing! Loving the details.
 
Maybe try a rage? I know the fancier fishermen poo-poo them, but they work and one of the reasons they were made was specifically for folks coming off of skagit lines. I use a rage with an intermediate or sink 3 polyleader for most summer work. The intermediate handles the classic hairwings/muddlers and can even fish a skater or a hitched fly if you turn your casts over well. The sink 3 poly can handle small intruders and tube flies and give you a little depth. A good angler can even throw a rage with T-8 or T-11 in the heavier sizes some people use them in winter.

I acknowledge that throwing a longer line is more efficient, but you have to learn how to throw it at some point. The rage lets you hit the ground running (you can snap-t it) and you can throw most flies with it, while finer lines can limit your fly selection, unless you are particularly skilled. It also does a bit better in the wind with a polyleader.
Do you have a grain weight recommendation for an echo TR 13' 7wt? Probably either the 450 or 480?

The echo chart recommends the same grain skagit and scandi. That's inconsistent with most Sources saying go lighter scandi. The rage is a hybrid but I assume go lighter than skagit?


Also, could I get away with throwing a rage on a 11'7 7wt? Smaller grain yet again of course, just wondering thoughts on short rod for longer lines. It's a rocket launcher with a skagit scout at 17 feet.
Preference between 13 foot and 11-7 rod for this application?
 
My advice with rage is drop down two sizes from your preferred skagit head. It feels clunky to me unless I drop two grain weights and it will be smoother throwing sink tips like t8 or even t11 as a bonus. It’s worked well for me on 4 or 5 different spey rods over the years. Hell one time I broke my switch rod and I didn’t have a rage head for my backup spey rod, so I fished a 360 rage on a 7126 TCX for a whole day and could still send moonshots with it. Under is definitely better then over lined IMO. I really like that line, it definitely has some nuts and will throw really nice loops in the wind and won’t be too much of a leap from throwing a skagit head. I’ve never found a floating scandi head I like as much as the rage but I’m probably weird for that. The nextcast zone is super badass but I’ve never cast the full floating version. But if it rips as hard as the F1 or H1 then I’d probably recommend that line over the rage because it is feels like a more refined rage head to me. A little shorter per grain weight but flies smooth and true and will also be happy throwing a sink tip and hobo spey with style. A skagit and a floating tip is no fun, too heavy, too clunky and has no finesse for a soft delivery. What grain are you looking for? I might have one laying around you can try
 
I reread your post. Rage is definitely sick on a switch rod. Not a problem. I throw a 390 on my 11’ 7wt hardy switch with an intermediate 10’ poly leader for skaters and hair wings. She sends.
 
I reread your post. Rage is definitely sick on a switch rod. Not a problem. I throw a 390 on my 11’ 7wt hardy switch with an intermediate 10’ poly leader for skaters and hair wings. She sends.
Based on your advice I'd either need a 480 for the 13' or 390 for the 11'7.
What's up with intermediate polys for top water flies? Does it not pull them under?
 
Based on your advice I'd either need a 480 for the 13' or 390 for the 11'7.
What's up with intermediate polys for top water flies? Does it not pull them under?
If your casts land laid out and under tension like they should, it doesn’t give it a chance to sink at all. The intermediate poly has slightly more stick for the anchor as well. I’ve never had an issue and found if my skaters are sinking it’s either a poorly tied fly or I’m not executing my casts. Even in super glassy froggy water I have no problem waking a fly with that poly. Even a mono leader sinks IME. I like mono leaders too and build my own, but a poly is super easy and I find it casts nice on the rage but YMMV.

I’ll look in my drawer of heads for a 480, I know that I have a 390 for sure where are you located?
 
If your casts land laid out and under tension like they should, it doesn’t give it a chance to sink at all. The intermediate poly has slightly more stick for the anchor as well. I’ve never had an issue and found if my skaters are sinking it’s either a poorly tied fly or I’m not executing my casts. Even in super glassy froggy water I have no problem waking a fly with that poly. Even a mono leader sinks IME. I like mono leaders too and build my own, but a poly is super easy and I find it casts nice on the rage but YMMV.

I’ll look in my drawer of heads for a 480, I know that I have a 390 for sure where are you located?
Got it, thanks for the explanation! I'm in Hillsboro. Have one you might want to sell?
 
One thing that will extend the life of your polyleader is cutting off the mono extension at the end so you've only got the coated portion left. Then albright knot a foot of 20lb ultragreen on the end, and put a loop in that. The mono core and coating stretch at different rates, so this trick avoids delamination.
 
One thing that will extend the life of your polyleader is cutting off the mono extension at the end so you've only got the coated portion left. Then albright knot a foot of 20lb ultragreen on the end, and put a loop in that. The mono core and coating stretch at different rates, so this trick avoids delamination.
Great tip, thanks!
 
One thing that will extend the life of your polyleader is cutting off the mono extension at the end so you've only got the coated portion left. Then albright knot a foot of 20lb ultragreen on the end, and put a loop in that. The mono core and coating stretch at different rates, so this trick avoids delamination.
How much tippet are you using with your intermediate polyleader? I've tried using both floating and intermediate polyleaders with my rage and I don't know that I can tell the difference between the two. Thanks for the great advice!
 
I use about 6ish feet of tippet looped on with the intermediate.

That was something I heard in a podcast with Tom Larimer, by the way.
 
I use about 6ish feet of tippet looped on with the intermediate.

That was something I heard in a podcast with Tom Larimer, by the way.
I'm not really sure how much tippet length makes a difference to the fish but I've never known for sure what others were using, thanks!
By the way, I saw Tom fishing on the Lower Deschutes last week with a buddy. The "catching" wasn't great but not a real surprise either, with so many fish still holding below the Dalles Dam.
 
I'm not really sure how much tippet length makes a difference to the fish but I've never known for sure what others were using, thanks!
By the way, I saw Tom fishing on the Lower Deschutes last week with a buddy. The "catching" wasn't great but not a real surprise either, with so many fish still holding below the Dalles Dam.
The intermediate poly is clear, and it's a steelhead rising to a swung fly, so I bet it doesn't matter that much. I just throw 5-6 feet on there because it gives me enough to change a couple of flies, and seems to turn over adequately. The poly provides all the stick. Ends up being 6+ feet with that extra foot of maxima. You probably don't need that much, and I bet it's on the higher end of recommended. It just hold the spool in one hand, and stretch my arms out.
 
The intermediate poly is clear, and it's a steelhead rising to a swung fly, so I bet it doesn't matter that much. I just throw 5-6 feet on there because it gives me enough to change a couple of flies, and seems to turn over adequately. The poly provides all the stick. Ends up being 6+ feet with that extra foot of maxima. You probably don't need that much, and I bet it's on the higher end of recommended. It just hold the spool in one hand, and stretch my arms out.
I've been using about half that amount of tippet and found it to cast and fish well. Sometimes I use a floating Polyleader which does seem to need a longer tippet length, like 6' of #15 UG, to cast well with a Rage; do you have any tippet length recommendations for this line? By the way, a bunch of steelhead have moved into the lower Deschutes this week, presumably with the lower temps. A friend of mine and his buddy landed 13 Wed. afternoon. Thanks again for the help!
 
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