College Football 2023

Canuck from Kansas said:
Oh, so the conference/SoS dooo matter - the bylaws/mission statement say nothing about having to be Power 5 - below are the Mission Statement and selection criteria:

1. MISSION
  • The selection committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and then assign the teams to sites.

2. PRINCIPLES
  • The selection committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:
    • Conference championships won,
    • Strength of schedule,
    • Head‐to‐head competition,
    • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
    • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

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yeah I heard one of the CFB talking heads talking about that.

Personally, I don't see what all of the uproar is 🤷‍♂️...thanks for taking the time to look this up and post it, cause I certainly wasn't going to.... :LOL: :LOL:


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clarkman said:
yeah I heard one of the CFB talking heads talking about that.

Personally, I don't see what all of the uproar is 🤷‍♂️...thanks for taking the time to look this up and post it, cause I certainly wasn't going to.... :LOL: :LOL:


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Me neither, people were going to be unhappy no matter what. Like I said in my first post about this - the Committee was in a no-win position.

Sit back and enjoy folks.

cheers
 
Canuck from Kansas said:
Me neither, people were going to be unhappy no matter what. Like I said in my first post about this - the Committee was in a no-win position.

Sit back and enjoy folks.

cheers
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Yep, one could easily make an argument for any of the 3-6 ranked teams. Of course next year I'm sure we'll be complaining about team #13-15 getting shafted.
 
Bama almost got beat by Auburn…AUBURN! Don’t forget they won on a lucky hail marry moonshot but somehow make it into the top 4 over a team that was undefeated and continued to do so even on their 3rd string QB (who looked great btw). Not to mention FSU would have had their second string back.
 
I’m done. This is much like the Miami/UW 91’.

Being Bias I thought UW was better
Being a realist UW was better
Being an idealist UW was better
Being practical UW was better
Being analytical UW was better
Being a fly fisherman UW was better

yeah did I say I was bias

It’s done. Stick a fork in it. A football world without an SEC team in the final 4 is not a world in reality … said some SEC AD or maybe even Bama AD. I forget. Doesn’t matter.

I’m ready to move on. Watching the 49ers annihilate the eagles. 😬
 
Canuck from Kansas said:
Oh, so the conference/SoS dooo matter - the bylaws/mission statement say nothing about having to be Power 5 - below are the Mission Statement and selection criteria:

1. MISSION
  • The selection committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and then assign the teams to sites.

2. PRINCIPLES
  • The selection committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:
    • Conference championships won,
    • Strength of schedule,
    • Head‐to‐head competition,
    • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
    • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

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CFP Selection Committee Protocol and Voting Process - College Football Playoff

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The last line "other relevant factors" is where things start to smell . They apparently applied that subjective logic to FSU in some effort to decide which four teams were the best and then forget which four teams were the most deserving. I'm not an FSU fan but with the issues they suffered in their season they still were undefeated. They in mho are a hell of lot more deserving than any one loss team. Just not fair. Of the two one loss teams that are in , the one that is the least deserving is Texas. But then since I don't like any of the teams that are in and I don't have a dog in the fight I'll just watch the games anyway.
 
Did Florida State get screwed? As has been discussed here at length, there are five teams for four slots, with only two teams (Michigan and UW) that would be awarded slots without much argument. And you can make cogent arguments that any of these five could have the truly best college football team in 2023 and the place to decide that question should be on the field. [And Ohio State and Georgia fans could provide arguments to support their inclusion in this "best-of-the-best" club too.]
But next year, the playoff will expand to a third round with 12 teams. That does reduce the possibility that a potential top team is being excluded from a playoff, as is happening under the current two-round playoff of four teams. But we then have a situation much like the NCAA basketball tournament. The more rounds that are played the greater the possibility that a fluke event (weather, injury, bad referee call) can knock out what would otherwise be the top team (the classic 16 seed beats a 1 seed in March Madness - happened twice in 152 matchups). The more you roll, the greater the chance of a better team being knocked out ("any given Saturday"), even if the better team would win if the two teams played a series, not just a single competition.
Let's apply the apply the selection criteria for a 12-team system to this year's teams. The expanded pool certainly removes the problem for Florida State, (and Ohio State and Georgia). But you can also argue that several of the additional participants really aren't the best college football teams (e.g., Oklahoma, University of Mississippi, Penn State, and Missouri - name a few) in 2023 as demonstrated by their losses to higher-ranked teams that are in the playoff. The University of Oregon lost twice to the Huskies, once at home and once on a neutral field -> not a fluke - sorry Duck fans. These additional team really aren't really at the top level. But in these single-elimination games, one of these second-tier teams could knock out what is truly the best team. [But the first-round bye for the top 4 teams will help reduce these fluke eliminations. How long before the TV money becomes too irresistible and it becomes a 16-team playoff?]
Steve
 
I don't know who the committee members are but if you don't think they have their collective heads up their asses then explain how they match up Ore St. with Notre Dame , Ariz with Oklahoma and Oregon with Liberty. Liberty? I bet you have to go to google to see where the hell they're from much else why they got into the Fiesta Bowl. Unbelievable.
 
I think FSU got hosed because the committee focused heavily on their QB situation. Guess what won them their conference championship game yesterday…..their defense.
If you have a good D, which they do you’ll always be in the game. They would have been the second best team in total defense in the playoffs behind Michigan had they gotten selected.
SF
 
I think FSU got hosed too, not much else they could have done....won every game, won conference....?

I am focusing my irrational behavior over to Sark and the Longhorns right now. My dislike for Sark is right up there with @Stonedfish contempt for Notre Dame.

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Take this to the bank fellas, Huskies go down to hostile territory and take it to Texas. The Huskies have a month to prepare and keep getting healthy. We haven't seen the full potential of this team yet
 
Just as they select the teams that play they will select the teams that win. Watch for flags at opportune times. 😉 I’m going full conspiracy on this. 😆
 
Cabezon said:
Did Florida State get screwed? As has been discussed here at length, there are five teams for four slots, with only two teams (Michigan and UW) that would be awarded slots without much argument. And you can make cogent arguments that any of these five could have the truly best college football team in 2023 and the place to decide that question should be on the field. [And Ohio State and Georgia fans could provide arguments to support their inclusion in this "best-of-the-best" club too.]
But next year, the playoff will expand to a third round with 12 teams. That does reduce the possibility that a potential top team is being excluded from a playoff, as is happening under the current two-round playoff of four teams. But we then have a situation much like the NCAA basketball tournament. The more rounds that are played the greater the possibility that a fluke event (weather, injury, bad referee call) can knock out what would otherwise be the top team (the classic 16 seed beats a 1 seed in March Madness - happened twice in 152 matchups). The more you roll, the greater the chance of a better team being knocked out ("any given Saturday"), even if the better team would win if the two teams played a series, not just a single competition.
Let's apply the apply the selection criteria for a 12-team system to this year's teams. The expanded pool certainly removes the problem for Florida State, (and Ohio State and Georgia). But you can also argue that several of the additional participants really aren't the best college football teams (e.g., Oklahoma, University of Mississippi, Penn State, and Missouri - name a few) in 2023 as demonstrated by their losses to higher-ranked teams that are in the playoff. The University of Oregon lost twice to the Huskies, once at home and once on a neutral field -> not a fluke - sorry Duck fans. These additional team really aren't really at the top level. But in these single-elimination games, one of these second-tier teams could knock out what is truly the best team. [But the first-round bye for the top 4 teams will help reduce these fluke eliminations. How long before the TV money becomes too irresistible and it becomes a 16-team playoff?]
Steve
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I think people want to see the championship “decided on the field.” No one feels a #1 seed that gets beaten by a #16 seed has been robbed. That’s just the fun kind of mayhem that happens in sports. We watch sports to see our team beat other teams, and or just to see which team beats which in cases where we’re neutral. Flukes are fine - they just need to happen on the field and not in an abstract committee decision making process.
 
NRC said:
I think people want to see the championship “decided on the field.” No one feels a #1 seed that gets beaten by a #16 seed has been robbed. That’s just the fun kind of mayhem that happens in sports. We watch sports to see our team beat other teams, and or just to see which team beats which in cases where we’re neutral. Flukes are fine - they just need to happen on the field and not in an abstract committee decision making process.
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Americans LOVE playoffs (to the point where the regular season is a long, cruel joke - see NBA, NHL). But other sports crown their champions based on their overall record over an entire season. For example, in the European football = soccer leagues (e.g., Premier League, La Liga, Bundaliga) the title is decided by overall record. In those leagues, every team plays every other team twice: home and away. The winner of the league cup is the team that has the best overall record. That does limit the size of your league. The soccer = football leagues spice up the title race (best teams) with the race to the bottom too. The bottom 2-3 teams are relegated to a lower league and the top 2-3 teams in the lower league are promoted to a higher league - billionaire American owners (and fans) aren't going to vote for a relegation / promotion system...
I loved it when the PAC-112 was small enough that every team played every other team in the league, especially in basketball - home and away; the team with the best record was the champion.
Steve
 
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