Splicing line

[CRequa]

So ive used different knots in the past, now i have turned to a 3 twist surgeon to speed things up since im spending more time helping my 6,8 and 10 yr olds with their gear and getting far fewer chances to get my own line wet, all worth it i love gettin them in to fish as much or more, just curious if that knot may lose me fish or any advice related to improving fishing with my boys, thanks in advance

 

[Zak]

So ive used different knots in the past, now i have turned to a 3 twist surgeon to speed things up since im spending more time helping my 6,8 and 10 yr olds with their gear and getting far fewer chances to get my own line wet, all worth it i love gettin them in to fish as much or more, just curious if that knot may lose me fish or any advice related to improving fishing with my boys, thanks in advance

I use the triple surgeons knot all the time for joining tippet to leader (and also on the rare occasions that I make my own tapered leader) and I do not think it has ever failed on me.

 

[_WW_]

So ive used different knots in the past, now i have turned to a 3 twist surgeon to speed things up since im spending more time helping my 6,8 and 10 yr olds with their gear and getting far fewer chances to get my own line wet, all worth it i love gettin them in to fish as much or more, just curious if that knot may lose me fish or any advice related to improving fishing with my boys, thanks in advance

No. It's a great knot.

 

[CRequa]

Awesome glad to hear that thanks again

 

[Northern]

I've used a double surgeon's for leaders & tippet almost exclusively for many years. I can't think of a single time where that knot failed before the tippet-to-fly one did.
(Most of my fishing is 4x or stronger, so a triple gets bulky)

 

[Jacob Watrous]

For me: Surgeon‘s knot (two overhand knots) for 2x or less (most of my river fishing is 5x or smaller), loop-loop for thicker stuff, and orvis tippet knot for droppers. Davy knot for small game tippet-hook, non-slip loop knot for big game.

I haven’t had a knot fail me in a long time—ever since I stopped tying the improved clinch knot with cold and wet hands.

 

[Flymph]

Blood knot is much easier to tie (for me) and doesn't waste as much line. And, according to this guy the blood knot is stronger.

 

[Pink Nighty]

What I dislike about the surgeons knots is that the tippet comes off the leader at an angle. I use it for quick and dirty ties, otherwise I use a uni or blood knot to keep them straight

 

[Northern]

What I dislike about the surgeons knots is that the tippet comes off the leader at an angle. I use it for quick and dirty ties, otherwise I use a uni or blood knot to keep them straight

That's odd. It shouldn't, and mine don't!

 

[Pink Nighty]

That's odd. It shouldn't, and mine don't!

Hold the two lines parallel, form loop around fingers, wrap tips through loop 2x (or 3x) and cinch tight, correct? For me that results in the tips (tags) in line with the leader, and the tippet pointing nearly backwards, and about 70° after I manipulate it around.

 

[ffb]

Hold the two lines parallel, form loop around fingers, wrap tips through loop 2x (or 3x) and cinch tight, correct? For me that results in the tips (tags) in line with the leader, and the tippet pointing nearly backwards, and about 70° after I manipulate it around.

You just hold a few inches each of the leader end and tippet end parallel, and tie your double or triple overhand knot at that point.

 

[Marc Fryt]

Triple surgeon's knot is great for smaller joining smaller tippet (sizes 3x and smaller), creating dropper tags, and for connecting two different types of materials like nylon and fluorocarbon. I've used the blood knot to join nylon and fluorocarbon together, but the triple surgeon's knot just holds up better (just my empirical evidence there).

 

[clarkman]

You folks are overthinking this. If it's slightly crooked by 70 degrees that's a problem in and if itself....e.g. knot tying) as some have suggested, just adjust where you aim. If I can do that on the golf course to accommodate my slice, it surely can't be that difficult to do when casting a little fly with little whispy tippet on a feather flingin' bug rod.

2 turn surgeons here....never any issues....with well, anything.

 

[Tom Butler]

I tie all my multi-fly rigs with double surgeons knots. I fish nylon not flouro. New droppers get a 5 turn uni-knot jammed up to the existing double surgeons. I trust the double surgeons knot for any fish I'll encounter.

 

[Northern]

Hold the two lines parallel, form loop around fingers, wrap tips through loop 2x (or 3x) and cinch tight, correct? For me that results in the tips (tags) in line with the leader, and the tippet pointing nearly backwards, and about 70° after I manipulate it around.

If you really did mean parallel, as opposed to anti-parallel, I think that's the problem.
You should be pulling the tag from the standing line, and the entire length of the tippet, through the loop

 

[DoesItFloat]

Never lost a fish due to knot failure on a normal (not triple) surgeon knot. I use it going from braid to fluoro in the salt on my inshore spinning rig.

 

[Zak]

Hold the two lines parallel, form loop around fingers, wrap tips through loop 2x (or 3x) and cinch tight, correct? For me that results in the tips (tags) in line with the leader, and the tippet pointing nearly backwards, and about 70° after I manipulate it around.

I think you are clipping the wrong end of the tippet!

The ends you will clip should just overlap enough to tie the knot, then you should clip the end of the tippet that is pointing backwards.

 

[Pink Nighty]

If you really did mean parallel, as opposed to anti-parallel, I think that's the problem.
You should be pulling the tag from the standing line, and the entire length of the tippet, through the loop

...... I've been doing it wrong yall

 

[CRequa]

...... I've been doing it wrong yall

Ive done most of my life wrong and am still doin alright, it gets better

 

[Zak]

...... I've been doing it wrong yall

When you do it right, you will get the leader tag and the tippet both pointing away from the rod tip. I likje to leave the leader tag in place, so I can use it to tie on dropper flies.