He literally fired anyone in the company that brought it up. He specifically avoided hiring actual experts.
The issue wasn't so much that it couldn't make a single dive, it was that he was told it would fail after a couple trips.
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The issue wasn't so much that it couldn't make a single dive, it was that he was told it would fail after a couple trips.
DerekWhipple
Steelhead
Why not both? At some point not having concern for "safety" and "rules" in the name of saving money for an activity with a razor thin margin of error puts you in nutjob territory.
I heard he didn't use the sphere design for his submersible because then there wouldn't be any corners to cut.
People will always push boundaries. Safety is taken into account but sometimes corners are cut. Someone mentioned the paid space flights and the possibility something may happen on one of those someday.
Remember the Concorde and it’s demise? Could this be the modern day version?
SF
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Remember the Concorde and it’s demise? Could this be the modern day version?
SF
A European jet startup wants to fly people from New York to London in 90 minutes using a hypersonic jet. See what the plane could look like.
The company's Destinus 3 prototype is expected to be the world's first hydrogen-powered unmanned aircraft, soaring supersonic at Mach 1.3.
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People will always push boundaries. Safety is taken into account but sometimes corners are cut. Someone mentioned the paid space flights and the possibility something may happen on one of those someday.
Remember the Concorde and it’s demise? Could this be the modern day version?
SF
A European jet startup wants to fly people from New York to London in 90 minutes using a hypersonic jet. See what the plane could look like.
The company's Destinus 3 prototype is expected to be the world's first hydrogen-powered unmanned aircraft, soaring supersonic at Mach 1.3.
Uhhhhh...could be.
Dustin Chromers
Legend
Can this at least be a note to performance parts manufacturers and enthusiasts of different types that carbon fiber is not always the preferred material for every single application.
Dustin Chromers
Legend
I wouldn't have a relationship with my son either if he were a blink 182 fan.
joefromchicago
Steelhead
Since people are posting jokes now, here's mine:
Last transmission from the Titan:
"What do you mean,"We forgot the bilge plug."?"
The OceanGate RELEASE OF LIABILITY AGREEMENT form is out on the web now. Yes the clients (IMHO victims) signed a form that stated 9 times that an expedition could result in death, and agreed if they die they waive the right to take legal action. Titan had completed a few dives and I understand that from the corporate perspective there are unknown risks that might include the effect that pressure-contraction-expansion cycles could have on the integrity of carbon fiber, the use of dissimilar materials, and using an adhesive to secure the "titanium ring", etc.
The agreement also states "The experimental submersible vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body..." But the agreement has this one little section:
"I acknowledge that representatives of OceanGate Expeditions, Ltd., have been available to answer my questions and more fully explain to me the physical demands of the operation as well as the risks, hazards, and dangers associated with the operation." Were the following risks either resolved to the satisfaction an unanimous agreement by all company personnel or were passengers fully informed and acknowledged these serious risks that had been or were still concerns within the company had been resolved?
(As described in the litigation with fired OceanGate Director of Marine Operations)
- The fabricator of the viewing port could only guarantee its use to 1300 meters, but that the Titanic is at 4000 meters
- Or "that non-destructive testing had never been performed on the Titan’s hull, including between dives as periodic seaworthiness inspections, checking for “delaminations, porosity and voids of sufficient adhesion of the glue being used due to the thickness of the hull” (even if there was no known way to do so)?
I am not an attorney but I suspect that withholding pertinent known risks from clients would be considered acting in bad faith, and gross negligence, which could render the agreement unenforceable.
A follow-on investigation may even find employees criminally liable.
Among others, BBC News has reported on Mr. Rush’s attitude to safety.
Quotes from. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65998914
“In messages seen by the BBC, Rob McCallum told OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush that he was potentially putting his clients at risk and urged him to stop using the sub until it had been certified by an independent agency.
Mr Rush responded that he was "tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation".
”"We have heard the baseless cries of 'you are going to kill someone' way too often," he wrote. "I take this as a serious personal insult."
Video clip of Mr. McCallum’s interview with the BBC:
Quotes from. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65998914
“In messages seen by the BBC, Rob McCallum told OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush that he was potentially putting his clients at risk and urged him to stop using the sub until it had been certified by an independent agency.
Mr Rush responded that he was "tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation".
”"We have heard the baseless cries of 'you are going to kill someone' way too often," he wrote. "I take this as a serious personal insult."
Video clip of Mr. McCallum’s interview with the BBC:
Dustin Chromers
Legend
That's no joke. If I had a kid that was into blink 182 I would disown him. What kid? I won't have my family name associated with such stupidity.
I have a friend that is a very experienced diver and oceanographer. She went down in a previous OceanGate model here in the NW. Went down to 400' and when she got back up and out of that thing she said never again. In fact, she was regretting going down while still onboard. That dive plus having been around Stockton Rush, including events at his house, convinced her the dude was too much of a cowboy. Too many corners cut.
I think Brian is right. I gotta think a big lawsuit is coming regardless of the waiver. If he cut corners on development and construction, he probably did the same thing when hiring the legal team.
Praying for all the sad family members and friends that are left in the wake of this horrible (and avoidable) tragedy. Arrogance can be so destructive.
I think Brian is right. I gotta think a big lawsuit is coming regardless of the waiver. If he cut corners on development and construction, he probably did the same thing when hiring the legal team.
Praying for all the sad family members and friends that are left in the wake of this horrible (and avoidable) tragedy. Arrogance can be so destructive.
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Titanic tourist sub photos show wreckage being brought ashore — BBC News
Pieces of the submersible are seen for the first time after being recovered from the Atlantic.
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Dr. Magill
Life of the Party
I think sometimes we put a lot of faith in things/people believing they know what’s up.
Sometimes we’re wrong
Sometimes with dire consequences
Sometimes we’re wrong
Sometimes with dire consequences
Dustin Chromers
Legend
Totally agree. Look at all the people who actually trust politicians. There's an innate need to trust what is thought to be authority. It takes the effort of thinking away which is hard for some. Just trust the authority on submarines. He's rich. He must know what he's doing.
Dr. Magill
Life of the Party
Exactly
And sometimes we’re taken advantage of
Whatever failed........whoever was at fault...........the implosion occurred so quickly, so violently that they didn't even know what happened; no pain, no thoughts, just instantaneous death:
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