Tribes fish and WDFW roll over again.

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When did I write the second quote?
 
Paige said:
Stop caving in and grow a pair, they need to force the issue at NOF. If we lose a season waiting for a separate approval so be it. It's not like we would miss much.
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I Understand this perspective.

At the same time, I think that the result is no salt water fisheries and no change to fresh water fisheries.
 
singlehandjay said:
Not sure but it sounds solid
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I am pretty sure that I never wrote that. I certainly did not write it in the context it is being used.
I can't edit your post, however you can and I am kindly asking you to do just that. I say enough stupid things without having someone else's words attributed to me.
 
Jake said:
It would be interesting to see what would happen if WDFW did that and no longer had to piggyback on the tribe’s.
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It would be interesting. When I play the scenario out in my head, I see a scenario where the two different permitting agencies make different determinations. The BIA continues to give a permit to the tribes for PS chinook and the other species where chinook limit the fisheries. At he same time NMFS does not grant the same opportunity to the state if any opportunity is granted at all.
The elites of the sportfishing world (PS salmon boat anglers), will be up in arms.
I am not sure that this scenario would change much in the form of the in-river seasons. With the state of chinook and whales, I could see NMFS being much more difficult to deal with. The BIA is going to rubberstamp native fisheries. NMFS is not going to do the same for WDFW proposed seasons. This may be a "be careful what you wish for" situation.
The thing is, it isn't 1985 anymore. hell, it isn't 2005 anymore. The whole paradigm has changed. The state is powerless given the new paradigm. It may be that we'd like to see them fight but in the end I think we would all just end up with WDFW blood splattered all over us from the beating that they would take in the process.
That is how I see it at least. I have never seen a compelling argument as to why I am wrong.
 
charles sullivan said:
It would be interesting. When I play the scenario out in my head, I see a scenario where the two different permitting agencies make different determinations. The BIA continues to give a permit to the tribes for PS chinook and the other species where chinook limit the fisheries. At he same time NMFS does not grant the same opportunity to the state if any opportunity is granted at all.
The elites of the sportfishing world (PS salmon boat anglers), will be up in arms.
I am not sure that this scenario would change much in the form of the in-river seasons. With the state of chinook and whales, I could see NMFS being much more difficult to deal with. The BIA is going to rubberstamp native fisheries. NMFS is not going to do the same for WDFW proposed seasons. This may be a "be careful what you wish for" situation.
The thing is, it isn't 1985 anymore. hell, it isn't 2005 anymore. The whole paradigm has changed. The state is powerless given the new paradigm. It may be that we'd like to see them fight but in the end I think we would all just end up with WDFW blood splattered all over us from the beating that they would take in the process.
That is how I see it at least. I have never seen a compelling argument as to why I am wrong.
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The scary thing that I've been seeing for quite a while is that the general population of sport anglers is so fired up in opposition to WDFW that there's a possibility that they'd take any chance they could get to stick it to the agency. I think they'd jump on board with any other entity overseeing management without even stopping to consider the ramifications. They're spurred on by some rather loud influencers who, in many cases, don't know what they're talking about. I don't see anyone really taking on the role of correcting misinformation and helping the average sport angler learn the basic facts. Hell, I joined a Facebook group who wants to address the sea lion problem in the Columbia, and they flat out attack anyone who tries to tell them the facts. That's a scary situation, because enough people that mad and going straight to legislators can create a worse problem for the rest of us.
 
Matt Paluch said:
The scary thing that I've been seeing for quite a while is that the general population of sport anglers is so fired up in opposition to WDFW that there's a possibility that they'd take any chance they could get to stick it to the agency. I think they'd jump on board with any other entity overseeing management without even stopping to consider the ramifications. They're spurred on by some rather loud influencers who, in many cases, don't know what they're talking about. I don't see anyone really taking on the role of correcting misinformation and helping the average sport angler learn the basic facts. Hell, I joined a Facebook group who wants to address the sea lion problem in the Columbia, and they flat out attack anyone who tries to tell them the facts. That's a scary situation, because enough people that mad and going straight to legislators can create a worse problem for the rest of us.
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The absolute scariest thing is when people hold the government line and tell everyone else they don't know what they are talking about.
The ignorant masses would do a better job of just about everything better than WDFW.

WDFW deserves all the bad talk that they get. Again the usual caveat that it's the managers not the Bios.

The solutions are simple but two things are missing.
1. Rapid response
2. Political will.
 
Rob Allen said:
The absolute scariest thing is when people hold the government line and tell everyone else they don't know what they are talking about.
The ignorant masses would do a better job of just about everything better than WDFW.

WDFW deserves all the bad talk that they get. Again the usual caveat that it's the managers not the Bios.

The solutions are simple but two things are missing.
1. Rapid response
2. Political will.
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Nothing about fisheries management is simple.
 
Matt Paluch said:
The scary thing that I've been seeing for quite a while is that the general population of sport anglers is so fired up in opposition to WDFW that there's a possibility that they'd take any chance they could get to stick it to the agency. I think they'd jump on board with any other entity overseeing management without even stopping to consider the ramifications. They're spurred on by some rather loud influencers who, in many cases, don't know what they're talking about. I don't see anyone really taking on the role of correcting misinformation and helping the average sport angler learn the basic facts. Hell, I joined a Facebook group who wants to address the sea lion problem in the Columbia, and they flat out attack anyone who tries to tell them the facts. That's a scary situation, because enough people that mad and going straight to legislators can create a worse problem for the rest of us.
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It would be a pretty tough sell to turn me into a WDFW boot licker. Looks good on some though.
 
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