SFR Tryin to sell off BLM in Utah, Wyoming

[Cheek Meat]

New Senate Bill Would Turn Public Lands Into Housing Developments

A new bill in the United States Senate would allow state and local governments across the West to purchase federally-managed public lands at steeply discounted prices. If the bill’s author gets his wish, those lands would then be earmarked for housing development. S.4062 was introduced on April...

www.themeateater.com

Looks like it will fail for now but dude says he's playing the long game. Apparently public land is for "upper crust elites". I'll take that as a compliment for now

BHA link at bottom of article to voice opposition

 

[FlyGuy]

New Senate Bill Would Turn Public Lands Into Housing Developments

A new bill in the United States Senate would allow state and local governments across the West to purchase federally-managed public lands at steeply discounted prices. If the bill’s author gets his wish, those lands would then be earmarked for housing development. S.4062 was introduced on April...

www.themeateater.com

Looks like it will fail for now but dude says he's playing the long game. Apparently public land is for "upper crust elites". I'll take that as a compliment for now

BHA link at bottom of article to voice opposition

Thanks for bringing this up...I am looking into the bill and the BHA..

 

[Wetswinger]

Being raised in Utah from pioneer stock, I've seen this go on my entire lifetime. The Utah locals have always felt that they owned the public land in their area. Examples: Kaiparowits plateau. Remember Rob Redford being hung in effigy in Escalante for opposing a massive coal strip mine. How about the chaining of pinion pine range land during the Sagrbrush Revolt. The wacko Mormon, Bundy family revolt for not wanting to pay their grazing fees. How about Utah politicians kissing Trumps ring to get Bears Ears & Grand Staicase revoked. The pillaging of native American burial sites in Montecello for pottery and personal profit. The list goes on and on. It's pretty bad when the beliefs of the Saints is that God gave them dominion over the Earth, to do as they wish. My dominion over the Earth is to keep it public for all to enjoy..

 

[Old Man]

I don't have to go to CNN for news anymore. I just come to this web site, because somebody will stick it on here sooner of later. Since we are all on the internet and see the news every time we log on why do people feel that they need to add it on here.

 

[cedarslug]

Mike Lee's Top Campaign Contributors from 2017-2022

John A Barrasso's Top Campaign Contributors from 2017-2022

Pretty interesting to see various utility companies, Blackstone (private equity and real estate), Brownstein (one of the largest lobbyists and has even lobbied for Saudi Arabia), Target, Comcast all funding these politicians. I didn't bother to include Romney's top contributors, because I assume most know about Romney's history.

To Mike, John, and others: Sad part is that it only takes a handful of 100Ks to buy your land, people, and soul.

 

[Brian Miller]

Apparently public land is for "upper crust elites".

Interesting twist in this proposal. The Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership (along with BHA) indicated earlier earlier attempts by Sen. Mike Lee of Utah to gain ownership of federal public lands by states and local governments intended to sell those lands for development to the highest bidder; i.e. Cabela’s Trophy Properties, now Sports Afield Trophy Properties to develop into exclusive trophy hunting-fishing ranches for an "upper crust elites" clientele that would generate tax revenue for state and local governments that acquire the lands.

From the MeatEater article apparently the statement on Sen Lee's website:

Honoring the Founders Promise on Federal Lands

It was 170 years ago that Brigham Young and the first group of Mormon pioneers came to the Salt Lake Valley in search of religious freedom… and, finally, a land of their own in which to practice it. It is easy to take for granted, or to forget. But so much of American history – and of human...

www.lee.senate.gov

that America’s unrivaled system of publicly-owned lands and waters to the “royal forests” of feudal England, saying that, like the forests of medieval England, America’s 640 million acre public trust is little more than an exclusive haven for “upper crust elites” is actually a veiled truth about what his vision and beliefs are.

 

[Salmo_g]

Senator Lee is a twit. Affordable housing? In the Utah desert? Even if you provide building sites for free, the infrastructure of necessary roads and utilities, along with the labor and materials costs would still make housing costs unaffordable for the people who presently cannot afford a house. This suggestion is stupid.

I was just backpacking early this month in Grand Staircase Escalante. I think this desert is an incredible place to visit, but an impossible place to live. Water is scarce, ergo, a desert. What does Sen. Lee think is gonna' happen? Build another Phoenix in the desert and just steal the water to make it happen? How fvckin' stupid does someone have to be to not know that all the water that can be stolen has already been stolen to use elsewhere? There is a reason the desert is uninhabited; it's not habitable in any year around sustainable fashion. Sheesh!

 

[albula]

Senator Lee is a twit.

Wonder if he knows whether or not he graduated from college. Ought to be a strict requirement for wannabe politicians.

 

[cedarslug]

Wonder if he knows whether or not he graduated from college. Ought to be a strict requirement for wannabe politicians.

I wish thinking about higher education and politicians. Unfortunately the way things are now and have been, it’s so expensive to get into higher education and would limit those underrepresented with good intentions. I’d vote for a day laborer over a college alum, if the laborer was running a better platform.

Plus, we’ve had some awful presidents that have gone to Ivy League schools.

 

[albula]

“What I like to do is see it and everything and stuff,”
That should solve most problems. I rest my case.

 

[mcswny]

Senator Lee is a twit. Affordable housing? In the Utah desert? Even if you provide building sites for free, the infrastructure of necessary roads and utilities, along with the labor and materials costs would still make housing costs unaffordable for the people who presently cannot afford a house. This suggestion is stupid.

I was just backpacking early this month in Grand Staircase Escalante. I think this desert is an incredible place to visit, but an impossible place to live. Water is scarce, ergo, a desert. What does Sen. Lee think is gonna' happen? Build another Phoenix in the desert and just steal the water to make it happen? How fvckin' stupid does someone have to be to not know that all the water that can be stolen has already been stolen to use elsewhere? There is a reason the desert is uninhabited; it's not habitable in any year around sustainable fashion. Sheesh!

All of this was said 150 years ago by John Wesley Powell. Beyond the 100th Meridian is a good read by Wallace Stegner.

 

[Brian Miller]

What does Sen. Lee think is gonna' happen? Build another Phoenix in the desert and just steal the water to make it happen?

My point was, there is little chance he truly believes that the land would be used to provide "affordable housing" for the people of his state. The massive infrastructure required that would either make it "unaffordable housing" that only a few upper crust elites could buy, or every single Utahan would have taxed through the nose into perpetuity to fund it making that idea politically DOA with the voters. So what does the state and counties acquiring the land do after acquiring the land? Sell to Sports Afield Trophy Properties to develop into exclusive housing or trophy hunting-fishing ranches for an "upper crust elite" clientele?
Speculators for mining and oil drilling?

 

[Salmo_g]

Resource extraction mostly, but some of the higher elevation forested lands offer good hunting and fishing, especially if it were limited access private land.

 

[Mossback]

Sen. Lee is a known liar, so theres always that to factor in.
Theres always a faction that wants to sell off public lands, and often for pennies on the dollar. While the rationales vary and shift over time, they remain commited to the liquidation of public lands. Its an article of faith for some.

 

[albula]

I wish thinking about higher education and politicians. Unfortunately the way things are now and have been, it’s so expensive to get into higher education and would limit those underrepresented with good intentions. I’d vote for a day laborer over a college alum, if the laborer was running a better platform.

Plus, we’ve had some awful presidents that have gone to Ivy League schools.

Not saying that the education is a necessary requisite but knowing whether or not you have one surely is.

 

[O' Clarkii Lewisi]

The uninformed passing judgement once again.

 

[cody-]

Wonder if he knows whether or not he graduated from college. Ought to be a strict requirement for wannabe politicians.

Need to specify that it's a real school, otherwise they'll keep counting Brigham Young Bible College as higher indoctrination, I mean, higher education.