Occupy Skagit, on steroids.

Salmo_g

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Reading these threads about spring steelhead, summer steelhead fishing on the Stilly and other rivers, and generally arousing my Jim Traver's personality traits. I've read here and elsewhere that there is no spring steelhead fishing season on the Skagit and Sauk Rivers this year because WDFW didn't receive funding from the Legislature to carry out the monitory activity necessitated because Skagit and all Puget Sound wild steelhead are listed as threatened by NMFS under the ESA. WDFW produced two different quotes of the cost of monitoring that I heard about, first $150,000 and then $350,000. WDFW didn't say anything publicly about exploring a less costly monitoring alternative. It doesn't take a statistical genius to know that a less robust monitoring effort than the 2 samplers working every open section every open day is capable of producing a statistically reliable estimate of steelhead catch and handling. But as far as I know, WDFW did nothing to "make the season happen" other than whine about not having the money. WDFW has choices. The Department could have elected to move funds from one program or activity to another. They do this all the time. Instead, Deputy Director Kelly Cunningham was quoted saying, "I want the sport fishers to feel the pain!" - so that we would call and write our legislators to get them the money. (Personally I'm offended by this, and I want to defund Mr. Cunningham so that he can feel the pain of an irritated angling community.

Moving on, forthwith, the "Washington Department of Salmon" announced that the Skagit River is opening on April 20 for recreational fishing from Gilligan Creek downstream to the Memorial Bridge in Mt. Vernon for spring Chinook salmon. This fishery will be intensively monitored to ensure that ESA impacts are not exceeded. Aha! The DOS (department of salmon) can monitor a Chinook salmon fishery that targets expensive hatchery produced spring Chinook, but it cannot monitor a recreational fishery for wild steelhead. This, along with all the rest that we have heard from WDFW tells me what I need to know. I fish recreationally for gamefish species in anadromous waters, and WDFW does not work for me. My angling interests are not its interests, and they aren't going to change or do anything to help out recreational fishing, to wit: Skagit, Stillaguamish, and Snohomish basing sport fishing over these last 10 years or so. Yes, we have had some Skagit spring steelhead fishing again since 2018, but that was ONLY because of Occupy Skagit organizers prodding the WDFW Commissioners to instruct Director Susewind to have staff prepare an ESA compliant Skagit steelhead management plan. It's an excellent piece of work, outstanding even, but it never would have come to pass if WDFW had been left to its own. Initiative and innovation are not hallmarks of WDFW management.

I have felt for some time that Director Susewind has been leading the Department to the brink of irrelevance. Except for inland lakes and non-anadromous waters, I no longer have need of WDFW. Do you? If so, what are they doing for you? Smalma and others have mentioned management alternatives, like mobile app reporting as a form of Skagit steelhead monitoring. Since the extant monitoring relies on truthful angler reporting to the WDFW samplers, personal mobile reporting could provide equally accurate and reliable data for management purposes. And for those who don't have cell coverage on the river or other challenges, reporting later at home via personal computer could fill that gap. What I'm getting at is that I don't think we need WDFW any longer for these fisheries. Screw 'em - let Cunningham and the rest of them feel the pain of fishery management irrelevance.

I think Occupy Skagit can partner with a tech whiz kid or whomever to develop and set up the Skagit steelhead management forum. It needs to be accessible via app and internet connected personal computer to accomodate angler reporting. WDFW should be allowed to have an account in case they show and have some interest in Skagit steelhead management, but I won't count on it.

If you participated in Occupy Skagit you recall that we brought fishing gear to the river and held a "protest" fishery with hookless flies and lures. The wildlife agents present agreed that we were good to go. I have read that WDFW doesn't expect to have funding for Skagit steelhead monitoring again in 2027, so I think we can have this product up and running by then. I am proposing hookless flies and lures. But not just fishing at Rockport. Nope. A full season, running from February 1 through April 15. Random fishing days at random fishing locations. WDFW may not condone this. WDFW may send out a bevy of wildlife agents to check and see that anglers are indeed fishing hookless. Which would only prove that WDFW is willing to spend more money harassing recreational steelheaders than if they just spent the money to monitor the fishery in the first place.

I'm not saying this plan is perfect, and there are probably some details or other aspects that could be improved. But Occupy Skagit brought Skagit steelhead fishing back when WDFW wouldn't have. This will at least give WDFW a chance to get off their ass and show us that they want to work for recreational steelheading . . . or they don't.
 
Yes yes and yes!

June 1st, everyone go fish with hookless gear, on the Skykomish and all historical open tributaries and the Stilly and all historical open tributaries, every other day.
Also have people up on the only open waters of the Sauk/Skagit as well!

A few floatillas on all stretches wouldn't hurt either!
 
Considering the lack of enforcement, May as well just fish...
😁
 
Also, we should create a card to hand out the the wardens telling them to hand it over to Susewind, lambasting his leadership and what we think of him!
 
The world has changed since the early years of Occupy Skagit. If a new effort is to be successful it would need to engage the younger anglers. What is needed is an electronic approach rely on blogger/you tube type approach. A series of 2/3 minute videos produce with concise messages that can be forward to agency folks, commissioners, legislators, media and the fishing public could be very effective. In this recent NOF it was clear that WDFW upper management staff are very afraid of losing the narrative.

Curt
 
I'm a part of the younger/ish gen of anglers who want to continue to fish these watersheds and have spent a lot of time on them the past few years but unfortunately I started only a few years ago so I'm still green in figuring out what I can do to help but more than willing to show up.

Shops and the local TU groups have advocated for writing emails/letters to our local reps but I personally think that is way too passive of an effort to effect change. Nothing easier to do then hit the ignore or block button. IMO, an Occupy Skagit like effort could still be effective and would be easy for traction to pick up on social media platforms if the right people were involved and there was substantial presence.

Not a member as it's a bit far from me, but the North Sound TU group has some high quality videos and really think they could do a good job in spearheading things on the digital aspect.
 
The world has changed since the early years of Occupy Skagit. If a new effort is to be successful it would need to engage the younger anglers. What is needed is an electronic approach rely on blogger/you tube type approach. A series of 2/3 minute videos produce with concise messages that can be forward to agency folks, commissioners, legislators, media and the fishing public could be very effective. In this recent NOF it was clear that WDFW upper management staff are very afraid of losing the narrative.

Curt
I don’t think getting younger anglers aware of the issue will be a problem. Just maybe need them to get more engaged on things like NOF, etc.

Anyone fishing in the puget sound region that has half a brain is well aware that recreational sport fishing has taken unnecessary cuts and is no longer a priority for WDFW. I’m 25 years old and have seen opportunities gradually vanish from the time I was cutting my teeth on the Sky and fishing MA9 from early July well into October as a kid. All this has happened in the past 10, maybe 15 years, so I can’t imagine what it feels like for many of you who have fished here for decades.

Most people I fish with around my age share the same sentiment and see the writing on the wall. More unnecessary restrictions that don’t even make sense from a conservation perspective. And lost opportunities that seem to never come back.
 
Also, we should create a card to hand out the the wardens telling them to hand it over to Susewind, lambasting his leadership and what we think of him!
Hello Officer!

I hope this card finds you well. I am excited to see that WDFW found the money to pay you to be here today.

My name is ______________________, and i have been a Washington Angler for __________ years. I have never had a citation or run afowl of wildlife enforcement, and have purchased fishing licenses for __________ years. This year, I did/did not purchase a license. Those of us who did are still hoping our dollars can have a positive impact on this sport we love so much. Those of us who did not have accepted that our dollars are spent rearing piddly, zombie esque mutant trout to plant in polluted lakes, or otherwise to support central BCs robust commercial salmon fishery. As prudent citizens who value how their money is spent, they could no longer in good conscience send their money to WDFW to subsidize these activities.

Kelly Susewind has decided that recreational anglers "need to feel the pain" of these budget issues his agency is facing. Which of course is why millions and millions of dollars can be spent rearing fish nobody wants to catch, but money to monitor iconic fisheries such as the Skagit Spring CnR season just can't be found.

We, as Washington Anglers, reject this bit of political musical chairs. We instead suggest Mr. Susewind feel the pain of these budget cuts before insisting his constituents do.

I hope these budget cuts have not affected you and yours personally, and that you understand my situation. I promise not to kill any fish!
 
And I hadn't even begun drinking for the evening when I penned the thread opener above!

PS: Pink Nighty, it was Deputy Director Kelly Cunningham, not Director Kelly Susewind, who allegedly said he wants anglers to feel the pain. Not that I think Susewind is doing much to win friends and influence people BTW. I'm OK with continuing to buy a fishing license because I also fly fish for trout in some WA lakes. Hatchery salmon production is mainly funded with General Fund tax dollars, unless it's a Mitchell Act hatchery or power company mitigation hatchery facility.
 
And I hadn't even begun drinking for the evening when I penned the thread opener above!

PS: Pink Nighty, it was Deputy Director Kelly Cunningham, not Director Kelly Susewind, who allegedly said he wants anglers to feel the pain. Not that I think Susewind is doing much to win friends and influence people BTW. I'm OK with continuing to buy a fishing license because I also fly fish for trout in some WA lakes. Hatchery salmon production is mainly funded with General Fund tax dollars, unless it's a Mitchell Act hatchery or power company mitigation hatchery facility.
Hang on,

So with every Steelhead hatchery that closes/is reduced, the money isn't being reallocated to other anadramous fisheries?

Yeah I will definitely be out there with all of you.
 
Hang on,

So with every Steelhead hatchery that closes/is reduced, the money isn't being reallocated to other anadramous fisheries?

Yeah I will definitely be out there with all of you.
You bring up an excellent point. WDFW spent $200,000 a year raising hatchery steelhead that were released in the Skagit River. 2012 was the last year they did so due to being sued over hatchery steelhead by the Wild Salmonid Conservancy. OK, that's $200k X 14 years = $2,800,000 they have in the "bank" to spend on steelhead season monitoring unless they've taken to just stealing our money.
 
Hell, I see guys fishing off my backyard on the Green all the time, zero enforcement officers in sight.
I quit calling in years ago, as my rods sit in the racks, aside from the meager 4 month open season.
If we include camping families doing catch and release for fun and such I wouldn't be surprised if poachers outnumber legal fishermen in Puget Sound rivers. I had to be the bearer of bad news to someone when they were showing me pictures from their awesome day on the NF Stilly catch and releasing Cutty's. But to be honest, even though they wanted to stay within the law and were grateful - I did tell them that the closure was entirely politics over conservation and if they wanted to take the risk I couldn't care less
 
Are you all that fucking ignorant or just stupid!
Every section, of every river in Washington state that is closed to sport fishing, it is open for poaching.
The longer it is closed the more poaching there is!

No anglers, no enforcement.

All the bullshit about the 2 fly guys posting pics of the Chinook they caught on the NF Stilly, guess what, there was 50 locals keeping double that.

No law abiding citizens out on the river, then it's poacher season, been this way for decades.

As a former boss once said "Locks are only for honest people"
 
The world has changed since the early years of Occupy Skagit. If a new effort is to be successful it would need to engage the younger anglers. What is needed is an electronic approach rely on blogger/you tube type approach. A series of 2/3 minute videos produce with concise messages that can be forward to agency folks, commissioners, legislators, media and the fishing public could be very effective. In this recent NOF it was clear that WDFW upper management staff are very afraid of losing the narrative.

Curt
What even is the narrative at this point
 
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