Skagit game fish regulation proposal

I’m only a couple minutes in to her presentation but so far, very cool…thanks for posting
Well if anyone is interested the entire conference is available online. With YouTube links available here: UCSRB Science Summit

Other talks that were particularly interesting to me were Day 1: David "Yellowash" Washinies(keynote), John Crandall(lamprey), Allen Evans(avian predation), Dave Duvall(sockeye, nice work man!), Day 2: John Sirois(keynote), Chris Fisher(Enloe Dam removal), Reid Camp(geomorphology, Jarred Johnson(habitat restoration response) & Jose Vazquez(Brook Trout spawning in Bull Trout core areas)
 
I'm not sure how similar the issues facing coastal bulls vs inland bulls are. For me, inland bulls are clearly being limited by fragmented habitat and warming waters. For much of the year the mainstem of many columbia tribs are in a lethal temperature range for bulls. Mix in inability to move between systems due to thermal blocks and dams, it leads to limited options for a fish that thrives on movement. Limited habitat-limited temporal forage range-limited population.

On the west side of the cascades? That's a part of the equation but not nearly as pronounced on the east slopes. Most of our rivers have intact (if degraded) access to saltwater throughout much of the year. I could see elevated temps in the lower rivers being a barrier to august-sept bull trout migration, but not for the rest of the year. We have dams that interrupt fish migration (lookin at you, gorge!) but again, to a much more limited extent.

From a habitat perspective i think the bigger limiter on the west side is simplicity of river channels, especially in the lower rivers and water contamination limiting growth of bugs and forage.

The in river sockeye fishery would not be a limiting factor to bull trout in a pristine Skagit system, but it is not a pristine system. Bulls have lost their ability to select a lacustrine life history in the basin with the damming of the baker and degradation of lowland lakes. If we are to have big bulls with high fecundity, they gotta go to the salt. Last year I watched 3 boats run nets all day through one of my favorite bull runs. They were catching, but weren't close enough for me to id their catch. But I've caught sockeye sized bulls right where those nets were and im sure they picked up some of them that day.
 
With populations with significant escapement contributions from repeat spawners, we see two very different populations response between that with limited recruitment (say with following a drought or low flows - climate change driven) and when those repeat spawners experience excessive harvest pressure.

In the short term with poor recruitment the spawning population becomes older - fewer first-time spawners. While when those repeat spawners selected against the resulting population becomes younger (fewer older fish). In the recent Skagit situation, the portion of those older spawners/older fish has decreased. The population has become younger.

Regarding total escapement estimates/population size on the Skagit it is generally agreed that the population was measured in the thousands. Given the remoteness and turbidity issue of some of the potential spawning areas it is physically difficult to reliably count the redds/fish. In addition, what should be counted? With salmon and steelhead all that is counted is the numbers of anadromous adults. With bull trout it can get more complicated. Count just the anadromous fish? Include the fluvial and adfluvial life history adults? the headwater resident adult fish? the sub-adult fish? etc.

The index areas typically are counting the migrating adults (anadromous, fluvial, adfuvial) which given a minimal population size. When there was a total of say 1,000 redds counted then the minimal adult population in those indices would be in the neighborhood of 2,000. To develop a more sophisticated escapement estimate probably is not in the card. That said my best guess was that in the late 1990s/early 2000s there likely 5,000 to 8,000 anadromous/fluvial bull trout in the lower Skagit (below the dams) population.

Curt
 
I guess I am confused why, if the believed major driver in bull trout mortality is the tribal sockeye fishery, we are talking about recreational fishery restrictions? I am not opposed to C&R of bull trout in the recreational fishery, but if this is being brought as a part of NOF and the real issue is with the tribal fishery then I think any proposal should state that. I also question whether proposed regulations that appear to deal solely with gamefish and the recreational fishery are properly brought in NOF as opposed to some other WDFW rulemaking process? I thought the "fishing regulations" were subject to periodic review and rule proposal, though I am not finding much about that on the WDFW website anymore. Has that rule making process been totally subsumed by NOF?

In addition, what should be counted? With salmon and steelhead all that is counted is the numbers of anadromous adults. With bull trout it can get more complicated. Count just the anadromous fish? Include the fluvial and adfluvial life history adults? the headwater resident adult fish? the sub-adult fish? etc.

I find the whole resident rainbow trout thing to be fascinating. I think it brings into question whether counting just the anadromous adults, as determined in original PS steelhead ESA listing, is correct. The comments and responses in the PS steelhead listing got into this (including prior listing determinations on PS bull trout) when addressing the decision not to include resident rainbows in the listing. I am not a biologist, but the distinctions made between the species and listing decisions seems questionable to me giving what is now being claimed regarding resident rainbows contributions to steelhead populations.
 
In the comments in both the federal registrar and in the public meetings leading up to the listing of PS steelhead and other ESUs the importance of the resident rainbows to the O. mykiss complex was a issue of debates. The in the hall discussions with the Feds implied that omission was not based on the biology but rather a political decision made above the local level.

Regardless, whether those resident rainbows are part of the ESU or not should not prevent WDFW from following the biology.

Anecdotal angler reports form the late 1800s and early 1900s catch of 14-to-18-inch rainbows were not uncommon.

Curt
 
We have dams that interrupt fish migration (lookin at you, gorge!) but again, to a much more limited extent.
Gorge Dam is among the least of fishery problems in the Skagit basin. I've posted repeatedly that Gorge Dam blocks anadromous access to Stetattle Creek and two (2) spawning riffles on the mainstem Skagit upstream of the dam. The loss of that limited habitat is more than over-shadowed by the lack of use of readily available habitat downstream of the dam. Stetattle is a high gradient creek of limited productivity relative to many other tributary streams. I'm not saying that any habitat loss is good or desirable, but assessments should weigh the entire equation.

Speaking of bull trout and dams, the Baker sub-basin bull trout have a very interesting story. With the addition of new and more effective upstream and downstream fish passage facilities at Baker, and a PSE biologist investigating Baker bull trout, some of the Baker bull trout frequent flyers are becoming known on an individual basis (via tagging). The bull trout are no longer stuck with an adfluvial life history. The fish passage facilities have restored anadromy as part of the life history for some Baker bull trout. They are able to migrate between Baker Lake, Shannon reservoir, and the Skagit River and back again. I need to restore contact with folks working on this stuff and see what more they have learned.
 
Gorge Dam is among the least of fishery problems in the Skagit basin. I've posted repeatedly that Gorge Dam blocks anadromous access to Stetattle Creek and two (2) spawning riffles on the mainstem Skagit upstream of the dam. The loss of that limited habitat is more than over-shadowed by the lack of use of readily available habitat downstream of the dam. Stetattle is a high gradient creek of limited productivity relative to many other tributary streams. I'm not saying that any habitat loss is good or desirable, but assessments should weigh the entire equation.

Speaking of bull trout and dams, the Baker sub-basin bull trout have a very interesting story. With the addition of new and more effective upstream and downstream fish passage facilities at Baker, and a PSE biologist investigating Baker bull trout, some of the Baker bull trout frequent flyers are becoming known on an individual basis (via tagging). The bull trout are no longer stuck with an adfluvial life history. The fish passage facilities have restored anadromy as part of the life history for some Baker bull trout. They are able to migrate between Baker Lake, Shannon reservoir, and the Skagit River and back again. I need to restore contact with folks working on this stuff and see what more they have learned.
That is incredibly cool on the bull trout moving through the baker system! Do we know why this system isn't working well for steelhead and other anadromous fishies? Or have the changes made also benefited them and I haven't heard about it?

Fully agree about the gorge dam fish passage being a tiny issue in the grand scheme of the damage those dams do. It's the flow regimes and lack of wood/sediment transport. Just reading thqt SCL is going to spend a billion dollars to access that limited habitat, while they've spent less than 1/10th of that on downstream mitigation over the course of the dams existence is just sickening to me. How about a billion dollars to improve the habitat being used now? How about applying that billion dollars to promoting natural flow regimes, even if it's not as profitable anymore? The customer is now going to be footing that bill anyways, and they're still going to operate the dams in ways that destroy habitats instead of create them.
 
PN,

The Baker floating surface collectors (FSC) appear to work best with juvenile sockeye and coho salmon. The bull trout use them also. One of the kinda' funny, cool things is that during the spring smolt out-migration, adult bull trout assume ambush stations at the entrance to the FSC and pick off sockeye smolts are they are passing downstream, just as they do at the outlets of natural lakes with juvenile fish migrations. An experiment with Chinook salmon and steelhead was getting underway when I retired. I've heard no details, only that it didn't seem to work. I meant to get in touch with those involved, but then covid, and my intentios fell by the way side.

The Skagit flow regime was significantly modified and hopefully will be modified further. The mitigation goal - IMO - should be "no net negative impact." I think we got close in 1990 but not all the way because we had less regulatory clout then than we do now. Lack of wood is hard to offset because there isn't much "large" wood in the upper Skagit due to historical fires and the way things are. There isn't a lack of sediment from what I know; tributaries to the Skagit between Newhalem and Marblemount appear to provide enough.

How much money a utility does or doesn't spend should never be the metric for us in natural resource management. The more useful metric is full mitigation, such that the resource in question is as well off as it would be in a "without project" condition. I don't see how the utility is going to continue to destroy habitats instead of create them when the mitigation measures are designed and operated specifically to avoid that from happening.
 
PN,

The Baker floating surface collectors (FSC) appear to work best with juvenile sockeye and coho salmon. The bull trout use them also. One of the kinda' funny, cool things is that during the spring smolt out-migration, adult bull trout assume ambush stations at the entrance to the FSC and pick off sockeye smolts are they are passing downstream, just as they do at the outlets of natural lakes with juvenile fish migrations. An experiment with Chinook salmon and steelhead was getting underway when I retired. I've heard no details, only that it didn't seem to work. I meant to get in touch with those involved, but then covid, and my intentios fell by the way side.

The Skagit flow regime was significantly modified and hopefully will be modified further. The mitigation goal - IMO - should be "no net negative impact." I think we got close in 1990 but not all the way because we had less regulatory clout then than we do now. Lack of wood is hard to offset because there isn't much "large" wood in the upper Skagit due to historical fires and the way things are. There isn't a lack of sediment from what I know; tributaries to the Skagit between Newhalem and Marblemount appear to provide enough.

How much money a utility does or doesn't spend should never be the metric for us in natural resource management. The more useful metric is full mitigation, such that the resource in question is as well off as it would be in a "without project" condition. I don't see how the utility is going to continue to destroy habitats instead of create them when the mitigation measures are designed and operated specifically to avoid that from happening.
You are certainly more well versed in the subject than I am, and i likely come off pretty ignorant in my conclusions. My thoughts are that naturally there is a hell of a lot more gravel and wood coming down from the upper half (more?) of the watershed, and that more would benefit the bug life/rearing capabilities of the river above the sauk, and especially above marblemount. My understanding is that benthic life and resident fish in that stretch have seen significant declines well after 1990. That's been informed by guys on here and im admittedly ignorant to the specifics of the research. I'm a chef, for fucks sake!😜

You do seem to agree that providing fish passage above the 3 dams is unlikely to result in more natural fish production, or am I misreading you?

While I agree dollars spent is a poor measure of what got done, if you had control of a billion dollars and the objective of making the Skagit as productive as possible, where would you start?
 
Lack of wood is hard to offset because there isn't much "large" wood in the upper Skagit due to historical fires and the way things are. There isn't a lack of sediment from what I know; tributaries to the Skagit between Newhalem and Marblemount appear to provide enough.
Respectfully, enough for what? Enough to accomodate all the fish that migrate to spawn up there? Enough to create a somewhat organized or natural-ish, sediment delivery regime throughout the system? Enough to counteract incision and maintain habitat and channel forms?
Large wood, medium wood, small wood--it all has a role to play in the channel as well. Even if there is little old growth for the river to access for a variety of reasons, there used to be a LOT. MORE. WOOD. In the Skagit. Wood was removed on an industrial scale. There's mitigation opportunities related to that and the disruption in supply from the dams.
 
If I were the Skagit czar my first action would be to end the power peaking generation from the upper Skagit projects. By ending those nearly daily floods with rapid flow increases and decreases would almost immediately provide up to a 10-fold increases in peak insect abundances and significantly reduce juvenile salmonid stranding.

Secondarily I would mandate that ever 10 to 20 years there be a flood of 60,000 cfs measured at Newhalem (currently floods are less than 30,000 cfs). That would recreate the flows that would drive channel changing conditions reintroducing a more dynamic channel condition. In conjunction to address Matt's concerns I would stage large woody debris collected at the Ross and Diablo dams between Newhalem and Marblemount along the stream channel above the "normal/current high-water line to be activated and distributed with those larger floods,

Expected fish benefits from just the above actions would a 2-to-4-fold increase in mainstem steelhead spawning above the Sauk, increase diversity in both the Chinook and O. mykiss complex, dramatic increase in the number of whitefish and increased bull trout rearing potential.

Curt
 
You are certainly more well versed in the subject than I am, and i likely come off pretty ignorant in my conclusions. My thoughts are that naturally there is a hell of a lot more gravel and wood coming down from the upper half (more?) of the watershed, and that more would benefit the bug life/rearing capabilities of the river above the sauk, and especially above marblemount. My understanding is that benthic life and resident fish in that stretch have seen significant declines well after 1990. That's been informed by guys on here and im admittedly ignorant to the specifics of the research. I'm a chef, for fucks sake!😜

You do seem to agree that providing fish passage above the 3 dams is unlikely to result in more natural fish production, or am I misreading you?

While I agree dollars spent is a poor measure of what got done, if you had control of a billion dollars and the objective of making the Skagit as productive as possible, where would you start?
Sometimes more equals better, sometimes it doesn't. Upstream of Gorge Dam, most of the gravel recruitment comes from Thunder Arm (Creek) and the mainstem upper Skagit River in Canada. The inundated channel behind Ross Dam was supplied with gravel and large wood from the Canadian Skagit. Some of that wood and gravel source would have populated the Skagit downstream of Gorge Dam, but I don't think it would have made a measurable difference because of the plentiful recruitment immediately downstream of the Gorge. Based on assessments made before the 1990 Settlement Agreement (and 1995 license issuance), there is not a gravel shortage between Newhalem and the Sauk River. Therefore, I don't think more would equal better. More large wood would be a benefit nearly everywhere on the Skagit and Sauk. The problem is that the source of large wood is gone and has been gone for many decades now. The source would be the riparian zone along the river banks. It was all logged or few into the river long ago. There isn't much in the way of replacement to be had. Upstream of Ross Dam, there is large wood in the Big Beaver and Little Beaver drainages which supply a small amount to Ross Reservoir. The other drainages are populated with smaller timber, with upper reaches transitioning to lodgepole pine habitat. The Canadian Skagit has been logged similar to the U.S. side, so a significant supply of large wood isn't something I see happening well into the foreseeable future.

An important part of evaluating the benefits of passing gravel and or large wood from upstream of Gorge or the other dams is understanding the geomorphology of the Skagit River channel from Gorge Dam downstream to Marblemount. The area is called the "Gorge" because that is what the landmass and river channel are, meaning over half the river miles in that reach have no floodplain to speak of, where the river can spread out during high flow events. High flow events cause the water level to rise - a lot - and the velocity increases dramatically. Take note that there is very little more than zero farmland between Marblemount and Gorge Dam. The river channel is narrow and surrounded by steep high river bank, with a significant amount of bedrock. My key point is that gorges, or canyons, or any narrow incised river channels are places that do not retain very much large wood or gravel. The preponderance of such material, if there is a source, simply gets blown through during high water events, and is deposited somewhere further downstream. This is why I'm reasonably confident in saying that the river reach from Gorge Dam downstream to Marblemount is not starved for gravel. The non-gorge-like parts would benefit from large wood, if there were a source. There are important spawning areas in the mainstem Skagit between Marblemount and Newhalem. By all accounts that I'm aware of, that reach is well supplied with gravel from Newhalem, Goodell, Bacon, and Diobsud Creeks and a few smaller streams. (Newhalem alone recruits something like 60,000 cubic yards per year on average.)

If anything, benthic invertebrate populations in the reach between the Sauk River and Newhalem should be somewhat better than before 1990 due to the decreased amount of daily flow ramping. I don't know if there are any before and after quantitative surveys for comparison. There were surveys in the 1970s by folks from UW's Fisheries Research Institute. I think I have that report in my basement. Resident fish of fishable size in the mainstem Skagit prior to 1990 were provided mainly by periodic floodwater spill events from Ross Dam (and reservoir). Otherwise, like most streams, catchable sized resident trout get caught and removed by anglers. Fishing restrictions since that time, along with declining steelhead numbers, should have led to an increase in the resident trout population due to decreased fishing mortality. I hear of a few nice resident trout in the Skagit, but not many. The upshot is that I don't see any indication that the gravel supply is limiting the resident trout population. More large wood would help all fish, but as I wrote above, there needs to be a supply of large wood for that to happen.

Fish passage technology, as it stands right now, if developed at the three Skagit dams, is highly unlikely to result in significant increases in the populations of pink, chum, or Chinook salmon or steelhead trout. It could result in significant production of sockeye and coho salmon. This is because pink and chum salmon (with very few exceptions) do not successfully outmigrate as smolts through lakes or storage reservoirs. Nor do Chinook, for that matter. From Snake and Columbia River experience we know that Chinook do outmigrate, with difficulty, through run-of-river reservoirs. Spring Chinook and steelhead were tested at Baker Lake, and from what little I heard, didn't do too well. They were also slated for testing at Lake Cushman, but I haven't heard how that's going either. I'll look into both of those. So no, unless a sockeye plan becomes in the works, I don't expect fish passage at the Skagit dams to do much good for salmon and steelhead.

If I had a billion $$, I'd buy as much riparian land along the Sauk River and Skagit downstream of Hamilton as I could buy and plant massive quantities of red cedar and spruce on the lower reaches of tributaries and the mainstem riparian areas to better achieve that "desired future condition."
 
Respectfully, enough for what? Enough to accomodate all the fish that migrate to spawn up there? Enough to create a somewhat organized or natural-ish, sediment delivery regime throughout the system? Enough to counteract incision and maintain habitat and channel forms?
Large wood, medium wood, small wood--it all has a role to play in the channel as well. Even if there is little old growth for the river to access for a variety of reasons, there used to be a LOT. MORE. WOOD. In the Skagit. Wood was removed on an industrial scale. There's mitigation opportunities related to that and the disruption in supply from the dams.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. Enough gravel to satisfy spawning and rearing requirements for salmon and steelhead. See my post above where I describe sediment sources. There is a shortage of large wood, also described in my post to PN. All wood is not equal. The vast preponderance of small wood washes through the system to salt water, where it still plays a habitat role. Even most large wood is washed down to river mouths, which is one reason why it takes such a huge quantity to make a significant freshwater habitat difference. No argument that more large wood is desirable. I have included as FERC license conditions that dam owners pass large wood that accumulates in their reservoirs downstream. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers reported from Howard Hanson Dam that this does become complicated and expensive, but "problem ownership."
 
If I were the Skagit czar my first action would be to end the power peaking generation from the upper Skagit projects. By ending those nearly daily floods with rapid flow increases and decreases would almost immediately provide up to a 10-fold increases in peak insect abundances and significantly reduce juvenile salmonid stranding.

Secondarily I would mandate that ever 10 to 20 years there be a flood of 60,000 cfs measured at Newhalem (currently floods are less than 30,000 cfs). That would recreate the flows that would drive channel changing conditions reintroducing a more dynamic channel condition. In conjunction to address Matt's concerns I would stage large woody debris collected at the Ross and Diablo dams between Newhalem and Marblemount along the stream channel above the "normal/current high-water line to be activated and distributed with those larger floods,

Expected fish benefits from just the above actions would a 2-to-4-fold increase in mainstem steelhead spawning above the Sauk, increase diversity in both the Chinook and O. mykiss complex, dramatic increase in the number of whitefish and increased bull trout rearing potential.

Curt
Curt, if there is a job opening as Skagit czar, I'll nominate you.

Although Skagit flow ramping has been greatly reduced since 1990, it could be even better. And that's what I hope this upcoming FERC license does, however, I didn't hear about this being a major part of the deliberations. If so, that's a sad lost opportunity. While gravel bar stranding was greatly reduced because of downramping rate restrictions, pothole stranding has continued at what I believe are significant levels of mortality.

No artificial flood flows were included in the 1990/1995 license. I haven't seen the conditions included in the new license. I know where we have tried this in other licenses there is pushback because local governments want increased flood storage and protection, not less. So it's tricky. Collecting and passing large wood is feasible, although it can be expensive, and probably would be on the Skagit due to logistics.

To the best of my knowledge there is no shortage of steelhead spawning habitat upstream of the Sauk River. (I recall seeing in some of the good years in the 1980s mass steelhead spawning that reminded me of a Chinook and pink salmon spawning orgy.) From what I hear, the percentage of basin spawning in the mainstem upstream of the Sauk has declined, but that could very well explained by the overall decline in the steelhead spawning population.
 
Sometimes more equals better, sometimes it doesn't. Upstream of Gorge Dam, most of the gravel recruitment comes from Thunder Arm (Creek) and the mainstem upper Skagit River in Canada. The inundated channel behind Ross Dam was supplied with gravel and large wood from the Canadian Skagit. Some of that wood and gravel source would have populated the Skagit downstream of Gorge Dam, but I don't think it would have made a measurable difference because of the plentiful recruitment immediately downstream of the Gorge. Based on assessments made before the 1990 Settlement Agreement (and 1995 license issuance), there is not a gravel shortage between Newhalem and the Sauk River. Therefore, I don't think more would equal better. More large wood would be a benefit nearly everywhere on the Skagit and Sauk. The problem is that the source of large wood is gone and has been gone for many decades now. The source would be the riparian zone along the river banks. It was all logged or few into the river long ago. There isn't much in the way of replacement to be had. Upstream of Ross Dam, there is large wood in the Big Beaver and Little Beaver drainages which supply a small amount to Ross Reservoir. The other drainages are populated with smaller timber, with upper reaches transitioning to lodgepole pine habitat. The Canadian Skagit has been logged similar to the U.S. side, so a significant supply of large wood isn't something I see happening well into the foreseeable future.

An important part of evaluating the benefits of passing gravel and or large wood from upstream of Gorge or the other dams is understanding the geomorphology of the Skagit River channel from Gorge Dam downstream to Marblemount. The area is called the "Gorge" because that is what the landmass and river channel are, meaning over half the river miles in that reach have no floodplain to speak of, where the river can spread out during high flow events. High flow events cause the water level to rise - a lot - and the velocity increases dramatically. Take note that there is very little more than zero farmland between Marblemount and Gorge Dam. The river channel is narrow and surrounded by steep high river bank, with a significant amount of bedrock. My key point is that gorges, or canyons, or any narrow incised river channels are places that do not retain very much large wood or gravel. The preponderance of such material, if there is a source, simply gets blown through during high water events, and is deposited somewhere further downstream. This is why I'm reasonably confident in saying that the river reach from Gorge Dam downstream to Marblemount is not starved for gravel. The non-gorge-like parts would benefit from large wood, if there were a source. There are important spawning areas in the mainstem Skagit between Marblemount and Newhalem. By all accounts that I'm aware of, that reach is well supplied with gravel from Newhalem, Goodell, Bacon, and Diobsud Creeks and a few smaller streams. (Newhalem alone recruits something like 60,000 cubic yards per year on average.)

If anything, benthic invertebrate populations in the reach between the Sauk River and Newhalem should be somewhat better than before 1990 due to the decreased amount of daily flow ramping. I don't know if there are any before and after quantitative surveys for comparison. There were surveys in the 1970s by folks from UW's Fisheries Research Institute. I think I have that report in my basement. Resident fish of fishable size in the mainstem Skagit prior to 1990 were provided mainly by periodic floodwater spill events from Ross Dam (and reservoir). Otherwise, like most streams, catchable sized resident trout get caught and removed by anglers. Fishing restrictions since that time, along with declining steelhead numbers, should have led to an increase in the resident trout population due to decreased fishing mortality. I hear of a few nice resident trout in the Skagit, but not many. The upshot is that I don't see any indication that the gravel supply is limiting the resident trout population. More large wood would help all fish, but as I wrote above, there needs to be a supply of large wood for that to happen.

Fish passage technology, as it stands right now, if developed at the three Skagit dams, is highly unlikely to result in significant increases in the populations of pink, chum, or Chinook salmon or steelhead trout. It could result in significant production of sockeye and coho salmon. This is because pink and chum salmon (with very few exceptions) do not successfully outmigrate as smolts through lakes or storage reservoirs. Nor do Chinook, for that matter. From Snake and Columbia River experience we know that Chinook do outmigrate, with difficulty, through run-of-river reservoirs. Spring Chinook and steelhead were tested at Baker Lake, and from what little I heard, didn't do too well. They were also slated for testing at Lake Cushman, but I haven't heard how that's going either. I'll look into both of those. So no, unless a sockeye plan becomes in the works, I don't expect fish passage at the Skagit dams to do much good for salmon and steelhead.

If I had a billion $$, I'd buy as much riparian land along the Sauk River and Skagit downstream of Hamilton as I could buy and plant massive quantities of red cedar and spruce on the lower reaches of tributaries and the mainstem riparian areas to better achieve that "desired future condition."
Thank you for the time you've repeatedly taken to educate us about our favorite stream. Seriously, your knowledge and experience with the basin is incredible, and I wish SCL could carve a chunk of that money for you to work with.

From what it sounds like, the mitigations that could be done for much cheaper (log jam analogues, riparian purchases, forestry projects...) would actually benefit the species affected by the loss of habitat, springers, steelhead and bulls. But the mitigation being proposed is more expensive and of little to no benefit to the impacted, ESA listed species but will benefit SCL in the public eye and the tribes with increased sockeye opportunity, which coincidentally will catch bulls and steelhead as bycatch.

Gotta love the system man.
 
@Matt B are there any nice resident trout left in the skagit? 🤣🤣🤣
There was one last year but I think it's probably dead, so, no. There are not any.

@Salmo_g you make a strong case as usual, but I still think it's maybe a little oversimplified and maybe some of it based on outdated info? Is it possible that there wasn't a gravel deficit in the Marblemount-Gorge reach in the 1990s, but there is now, due to a lack of recruitment? There is a lack of large wood as you point out, and channel forming flows are artificially constrained, so the river doesn't get to access its floodplain and recruit new wood and new sediment. It's a bit of a negative feedback loop. Also, I could be wrong but it seems like you might only be considering true old growth trees as functional large wood. I contend that there are lots of examples where enough supply of mid-size to large mature trees can "glom up" together, resulting in a persistent habitat-forming log jam. There does need to be spots for them to hang up on and stick around. I have to say the Skagit above MM up to the Gorge is not universally a gorge with no floodplain. It's not entirely a transport reach at all flows. There are islands, there are side channels, there is floodplain, there is scouring and there is deposition. I believe that more wood and sediment supply from the Gorge dam on down would re-engage these features and processes and increase habitat complexity up there, and below the Cascade as well.
 
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