Backstory is that a member of another board reached out to me offering up some larger hooks he never used for free. I said sure, but let me send you back something in return....so I send him back a small box packed with smallie patterns, then, about a week later, a package shows up at my doorstep containing these two flies tied by Bill Sherer that are ~20 years old (so yeah, that's an old school 2 part epoxy for those heads)....oh yeah, they'll get wet. He still markets and sells the larger one....talk about staying power.