Not wanting to get stoned for anything political, instead of linking the article directly here's a link to Hatch magazine where you can read the article on the USFS literally being dismantled.
Dismantling of the USFS
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Mike Cline
Life of the Party
U.S. Forest Service announces ‘sweeping restructuring’ including Colorado-based research headquarters
The U.S. Forest Service has announced that it will begin a “sweeping restructuring,” moving its headquarters from Washington D.C. to Salt Lake City, Utah, and transitioning to a “state-based organizational model.” Under the plan announced...
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The Hatch op-ed failed to mention some important details that don’t support the sensationalist talking points.
Dustin Chromers
Legend
Forest service used to get it done. Now it's hard to discern exactly what they do. I see near zero active management/maintainace in my area. Just a local perspective. And no I don't want USFS lands closed, wholesale clear-cut, or sold off to private.
then why not point them outU.S. Forest Service announces ‘sweeping restructuring’ including Colorado-based research headquarters
The U.S. Forest Service has announced that it will begin a “sweeping restructuring,” moving its headquarters from Washington D.C. to Salt Lake City, Utah, and transitioning to a “state-based organizational model.” Under the plan announced...
The Hatch op-ed failed to mention some important details that don’t support the sensationalist talking points.
The only important detail I noticed is that not all 50+ research facilities will close, only 30-some. Otherwise it appears as though the Hatch article got things correct. Are you suggesting that this "sweeping restructuring," with a logger at the helm, is intending to practice sustainable forestry and not just liquidate every tree large enough to cast a shadow? Cuz that's what it looks like to this observer. Do you think this reorganization will help facilitate land transfer? It sure looks like that's what Utah has in mind. The biggest rippoffs usually happen in plain sight with the unbelieving watching and nodding as if it were "common sense."U.S. Forest Service announces ‘sweeping restructuring’ including Colorado-based research headquarters
The U.S. Forest Service has announced that it will begin a “sweeping restructuring,” moving its headquarters from Washington D.C. to Salt Lake City, Utah, and transitioning to a “state-based organizational model.” Under the plan announced...
The Hatch op-ed failed to mention some important details that don’t support the sensationalist talking points.
Mike Cline
Life of the Party
I come from a Special Investigative/Counterintelligence background and have been trained to disassociate facts from opinion.
I was in an Air Force organization for 22 years that re-organized multiple times consolidating functions, changing areas of responsibility, renaming structures, changing headquarters and divesting itself of certain functions transferred to other agencies. There were always nay sayers advocating for the tried and true old way of doing business but the doom and gloom never came true and we pressed on with our mission. Advocating to retain an organization structure that is as old as the USFS is naive IMO in the first quarter of the 21st Century.
- A reorganization — 10 regions to 6 centralized service centers is not dismantling
- Consolidating 50 research functions into a centralized research organization is not dismantling, especially in an era of unprecedented digital capabilities
- Streamlining an organization to align with 21st Century capabilities and priorities is not dismantling, just change to align with the times.
I was in an Air Force organization for 22 years that re-organized multiple times consolidating functions, changing areas of responsibility, renaming structures, changing headquarters and divesting itself of certain functions transferred to other agencies. There were always nay sayers advocating for the tried and true old way of doing business but the doom and gloom never came true and we pressed on with our mission. Advocating to retain an organization structure that is as old as the USFS is naive IMO in the first quarter of the 21st Century.
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thx mike. from what the mormons down in utah have been advocating for the past few yrs, i am not a fan of selling off our public lands. they are not utah lands, nor state lands. they are ours.
with usfs lands around the west, it would seem that having mgmt near where the lands are, would make sense. since they are federal lands, it would also seem to make sense that they have presence near federal gov.
but in your counterintel experience, you may have a different perspective.
Flymph
Life of the Party
When the attempt was made to move the BLM’s headquarters to Grand Junction, Colorado, 87% of the staff chose to leave the agency instead of relocating, which was a loss in land management expertise that the agency never recovered from. We have seen this time and time again where expertise is lost (FEMA, FAA, etc.) and disasters soon follow.
Wildfire seasons lengthen due to Climate Change and are managed and fought by dwindling resources. I can't fathom how any administration would "add fuel to the flames" by making this kind of USFS decision.
Wildfire seasons lengthen due to Climate Change and are managed and fought by dwindling resources. I can't fathom how any administration would "add fuel to the flames" by making this kind of USFS decision.
The current intent in all such is to dismantle/downsize federal organizations and ultimately place their mission responsibility on the states, which then allows the respective states to do as they will without adherence to a national strategy, whether it be national forests, healthcare or education.
Dustin Chromers
Legend
The hatch article reads like enviro fear porn drizzled with a sauce of political overtones. Laughable really.
Agitate and excite your base with emotional bullshit for effect and then you don't need facts to garner the response you want. Classic Fox/NPR tactics.
Dustin Chromers
Legend
I don't even have to watch this too know what scene it is. And yes, it's amazing. I absolutely love this scene. Top tier al sir. Thank you for this.
I think we can look to Project 2025 as the blueprint for the intent of this action, which would be to privatize public land for extractive industries.
Wayne Kohan
Life of the Party
“The FY 2026 Budget proposes a new initiative to transfer certain Federal lands to willing
States and Tribes. This initiative will right-size the Federal estate and reduce Federal costs
for land management and asset maintenance. It will return these lands to the governments
closest to the people who use them – local governments that understand and respect the
needs and desires of their communities far better than the Federal Government. At the
same time, the land transfer initiative will maintain Federal management of select,
nationally significant lands that reflect America’s greatness.”
This seems pretty sobering. Seems like a priority is to transfer lands to states and tribes. Also I notice that the budget line item for Forest and Rangeland Research is going from $300,000,000 in 2025 to $0 in 2026. Hmm.
We all know what this is, regardless of how it's dressed up.
If it walks like a pig, wallows like a pig and eat's like a pig, then it's likely a pig....despite the laughable attempts at 'nothing to see here'
Fourbtgait
Life of the Party
People seem surprised, this is not the only area it’s happening to the same way. The savings is going to the military budget.
The majority unknowingly or knowingly, voted for it.
Wait till our state taxes going up as well in order to keep some semblance of continuation going.
The majority unknowingly or knowingly, voted for it.
Wait till our state taxes going up as well in order to keep some semblance of continuation going.