NFR Data Centers near you?

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Flymph

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Apparently there are over 125 Data Centers spread throughout our state with early and smaller hubs in metro Seattle-Tacoma and the larger centers in Central and Eastern WA near cheap hydro power. Would love to hear your thoughts/reactions to the DCs that are near you. Were you aware of their implementation?, were you informed as to giving you public input?, were you aware of the water related issues?, were you aware of the energy related issues?, did protests occur, etc.
 
welcome break from sanding the front porch for a restain.
And on to Australia doing it the right way:

CANBERRA, Australia — Australia is trying to pull off a feat that's eluding national and local governments around the world: Attract AI investment, but on its own terms.
AI suitors including Microsoft, Google and Anthropic now confront a transactional Australian approach. The federal and state governments are welcoming data center investment, but only if developers run them on clean power, account for water use, create local training benefits and give Australian researchers and startups access to computing capacity.
After watching a nasty data center debate unfold in the United States Australian officials are determined to forge their own way. Buoyed by the nation's leading global role in instituting teen social media restrictions, Prime Minister Anthony sees the country in a race — not against China or the United States — but against time. “We can set the terms, we can determine AI’s social license. But we have to do it now,” Albanese said in July, setting a goal of finalizing AI legislation in early 2027.
The government’s overarching goals: protect household electricity prices, and integrate Australia into the AI supply chain. The unspoken part of the deal: A stronger social license for AI should give the government more room to deal with the labor market disruptions that AI use accelerates.
 
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Flymph said:
Apparently there are over 125 Data Centers spread throughout our state with early and smaller hubs in metro Seattle-Tacoma and the larger centers in Central and Eastern WA near cheap hydro power. Would love to hear your thoughts/reactions to the DCs that are near you. Were you aware of their implementation?, were you informed as to giving you public input?, were you aware of the water related issues?, were you aware of the energy related issues?, did protests occur, etc.
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How's the fishing going?
 
nwbobber said:
This may help.
brockovichdatacenter.com

Brockovich Data Center Reporting – U.S. AI Data Center Awareness & Issue Map

Interactive map of major AI data centers across the United States — built or being built. Understand the community impact and report issues in your area.
brockovichdatacenter.com
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I like what Erin is doing, but just like all sites that depend on the community for input, there are flaws. Like the map showing my town of Covington Washington. We do not have a data center. The dot on the map is for a proposed BESS, but the community member or the admins of the site added ",Data center". So for most reports or maps that would mean there are both.
From the entry-
Type: Battery storage (BESS), Data center

This is not accurate. There is no current data center nor any planned data centers in CovTown. And the BESS probably won't happen either. There's currently a moratorium on them. And a BESS is not a data center.

So while I love spreading the word and making people aware, I also hate misinformation. It only hurts your cause.

Anyway, no datacenters by me. Everyone should read stories about these data centers. The Google one in The Dalles Oregon-
www.rcfp.org

Oregon city agrees to reveal Google’s local water usage

The Oregonian, represented by an RCFP attorney, reached an agreement with The Dalles to disclose how much water Google uses to cool its data centers.
www.rcfp.org www.rcfp.org

Google, Amazon, mobile carriers, etc... none of them care about your water, your power bill or your employment. Yes, they provide incredible service to our pampered lives, but do not for a minute think they care about you.
Same for your city, county, water district and power utility.

They would much rather build them without any publicity.

@Flymph caught a big one there. 😁
 
skyriver said:
I like what Erin is doing, but just like all sites that depend on the community for input, there are flaws. Like the map showing my town of Covington Washington. We do not have a data center. The dot on the map is for a proposed BESS, but the community member or the admins of the site added ",Data center". So for most reports or maps that would mean there are both.
From the entry-
Type: Battery storage (BESS), Data center

This is not accurate. There is no current data center nor any planned data centers in CovTown. And the BESS probably won't happen either. There's currently a moratorium on them. And a BESS is not a data center.

So while I love spreading the word and making people aware, I also hate misinformation. It only hurts your cause.

Anyway, no datacenters by me. Everyone should read stories about these data centers. The Google one in The Dalles Oregon-
www.rcfp.org

Oregon city agrees to reveal Google’s local water usage

The Oregonian, represented by an RCFP attorney, reached an agreement with The Dalles to disclose how much water Google uses to cool its data centers.
www.rcfp.org www.rcfp.org

Google, Amazon, mobile carriers, etc... none of them care about your water, your power bill or your employment. Yes, they provide incredible service to our pampered lives, but do not for a minute think they care about you.
Same for your city, county, water district and power utility.

They would much rather build them without any publicity.

@Flymph caught a big one there. 😁
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the huge 11 gigawatt data center being built in Amarillo Texas will use the electricity of 6 million homes when fully lit up, and run through 10-11 billion gallons of water a year.
With demand greatly outstripping any planned additional capacity, it is expected by 2030 residential electrical rates across the US will go up an average of 29% with some areas as high as 40%, with water rates to follow suit.
 
And all this for something that to the casual user is barely useful at all and requires a bit of diligence to keep it from being a negative. AI should be limited to research, otherwise the human race cannot afford it. Erin is just collecting data, people report stuff, and she includes it in the data set. She doesn't have the time to verify everything, but if you send the correct information her way I'm sure it would help.
 
The majority of us are encountering/using AI these days whenever we do an internet search, perform online banking, make travel arrangements, etc., and it is now thoroughly embedded in all corporations.
Whereas business has always tried to pass on as much cost to the consumer while generating the max profits possible, the electrical/water consumption and air quality impact of these AI centers represents a massive cost burden shifted to the consumers beyond any previous.
And whereas electricity, steam, and mechanized transportation were all transformation agents that generated massive employment opportunities, AI is a massive disruption agent that threatens to do the opposite.
During this era of neutered federal regulatory agencies only at the state and local level can protective mechanisms be employed, and a start to that is by voting out those who give data center builders massive tax breaks without public discussion, often for companies providing campaign funds to those commissioners.
 
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A couple years ago a speculator built a large distribution warehouse here near Longview. it sat empty for a couple years and is now being made into an Amazon distribution center with all the associated automation. I wonder how much of AWS is housed in these distribution centers. I also wonder about whether a robotic warehouse is an energy plus or a negative.
 
None of Amazon Web Services (AWS) is housed inside Amazon's retail fulfillment or distribution centers. AWS runs on its own dedicated network of over 900 custom-built and leased data center facilities worldwide, grouped into Availability Zones and geographic Regions, completely separate from the company's retail logistics network

Data Centers are becoming a real issue in some states elections this year, be interesting to see how many anti data center single issue voters it creates.
 
I know that my computer stuff goes through a data center in Boardman, Oregon. There are closer ones to me like Beaverton and Gresham.
 
Do one Google search and you lose the ability to complain about data centers.
Just like driving your Tundra takes away your right to complain about global warming. Ohh your Subaru too, you know the one you drive half way across the state every other weekend?

We are all hypocrites and we all just need to mind our own business.
Don't want data centers? Quit using the internet. Use the internet? Don't complain about data centers near you.

I'm sorry that is how simple this issue is.

Now, go use your phone to organize a protest rally.
:)
 
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