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"whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." You either believe this or you don't! I guess as a teacher of 46 years you learn that a kid who doesn't know where his next bed or meal is coming from has a difficult time concentrating on Algebra!
 
dflett68 said:
jesus was broke and homeless and would never have been able to afford an outfit like that with red cloth and frilly sleeves.
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Dude could conjure up bread, wine and fish at will so he had zero food budget. He was sleeping at the girlfriend's place or rotating through one of many disciple's couches so not homeless. He mistakenly picked up Mary Magdalene's blouse off the floor in the dark and wore it for picture day.
 
Mossback said:
Where is the money for the rehab coming from...increased tab fees ?
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No, Washington auto license fees pay for the maintenance, construction, and operation of state transportation systems. Funds are directed towards the Motor Vehicle Fund, state ferries, Washington State Patrol, local road maintenance, and transportation benefit district projects. Specific fees also cover EV/hybrid infrastructure and registration technology.

Perhaps start with reprioritzing homeless care philosophy and funding to incentivize rehab?
 
Salmo_g said:
At least, as though that's relevant. The point is that a significantly lower rate of taxation produced an outcome of better state infrastructure in the forms of education and highways.
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Well we both know why... Federal funds flowed like water to the state in that era. So the state was less reliant on 'in house' revenue..

"During the era of Senators Warren "Maggie" Magnuson and Henry "Scoop" Jackson (roughly 1952–1980), Washington state received an unprecedented influx of federal money, often referred to as the "pork barrel" era, where they secured nearly one out of every six dollars in national public-works appropriations, despite the state ranking only 23rd in population."

So with all that subsidy of course there was no need for higher state taxes.
 
Josh said:
NOTE FROM THE ADMINS

I agree that folks are being pretty chill in this thread. And kudos to everyone for doing so. But it IS real close, if not over, the "no politics" line around here.
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That's cuz we be such a chill group overall. Thing is, just like environmental and fisheries conservation, which leans political, the cost of fuel and other transportation expenses like vehicle licensing are relevant to what we do here. Like you, most members are not part of the landed gentry with blue ribbon lakes and rivers on our private estates. We have to drive, and sometimes tow boats, to get to where the fishing is. And the costs associated with doing so affects our ability to go fishing. I think folks are doing a great job speaking to the issue without attacking one another.
 
Dave Boyle said:
It went ‘tits up’ for Oregon but I guess they didn’t tax the blow and no idea re boobie taxes 😀. Just let folks do what they want with any drugs. What could go wrong….

Dave
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Taxing boobies?
charles sullivan said:
Seems like the legal or illegal paradigm is what holds us back from doing a better job with drug policy. That and peoples need to prove their moral superiority by being judgemental.
Thats how I see it anyhow.
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The great opinion modifier is some kind of moral code extremely complicated by this old adage new age of what the bill of rights foundation that we have almost suddenly become very confused about.
 
Salmo_g said:
At least, as though that's relevant. The point is that a significantly lower rate of taxation produced an outcome of better state infrastructure in the forms of education and highways.
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lower past rate?
  • 1970s-1980s: Washington's tax burden was relatively high, often ranking in the top 20 states in terms of taxes per $1,000 of personal income.
  • 1990s-2002: The tax burden declined steadily, dropping from 11th highest in the nation in 1995 to 32nd in 2002.
  • 2000s-Present: The burden dipped below the national average for the first time since 1985 in the early 2000s. Following the 2008 recession, the tax burden reached a low of $93 per $1,000 of income, before stabilizing around $97–$101 per $1,000 (roughly 9.7% to 10.1%) of personal income in recent years.
 
Mossback said:
Well we both know why... Federal funds flowed like water to the state in that era. So the state was less reliant on 'in house' revenue..

"During the era of Senators Warren "Maggie" Magnuson and Henry "Scoop" Jackson (roughly 1952–1980), Washington state received an unprecedented influx of federal money, often referred to as the "pork barrel" era, where they secured nearly one out of every six dollars in national public-works appropriations, despite the state ranking only 23rd in population."

So with all that subsidy of course there was no need for higher state taxes.
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A quick search resulted in...

In the 1960s: Federal grants to state and local governments nationwide were relatively small, totaling $7 billion in FY1960 and growing to $24 billion by FY1970, with a major expansion during the "Great Society" era in the mid-1960s.
Now (2020s): Federal aid to Washington state has risen to billions annually. In FY2022, Washington state government received approximately $28.1 billion in federal transfers, accounting for 23.5% of its revenue.

That increase probably is a little higher than per capita population growth and inflation
 
Brian Miller said:
A quick search resulted in...

In the 1960s: Federal grants to state and local governments nationwide were relatively small, totaling $7 billion in FY1960 and growing to $24 billion by FY1970, with a major expansion during the "Great Society" era in the mid-1960s.
Now (2020s): Federal aid to Washington state has risen to billions annually. In FY2022, Washington state government received approximately $28.1 billion in federal transfers, accounting for 23.5% of its revenue.

That increase probably is a little higher than per capita population growth
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Adjust for inflation...
That 24 billion in 1970 is over 200 billion today.
 
Mossback said:
Adjust for inflation...
That 24 billion in 1970 is over 200 billion today.
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  • Real Growth: The growth in federal funding has significantly outpaced inflation. Total state and local government spending, fueled by federal grants, has more than doubled in real (inflation-adjusted) terms since 1970.
  • Medicaid Growth: A major driver of the inflation-adjusted increase is Medicaid. Federal share of Medicaid spending grew from 55% to 69% between 1977 and 2021.
  • Per Capita Spending: Federal government spending nationwide is roughly 98 times higher in nominal terms than during the WWI era and continues to rise faster than inflation, reaching over $20,000 per person in FY2025.
 
Mossback said:
"During the era of Senators Warren "Maggie" Magnuson and Henry "Scoop" Jackson (roughly 1952–1980), Washington state received an unprecedented influx of federal money, often referred to as the "pork barrel" era, where they secured nearly one out of every six dollars in national public-works appropriations, despite the state ranking only 23rd in population."
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Yes, Maggie and Scoop (the Senator from Boeing) were true champions of pork.
 
Josh said:
Hmmmm, historical evidence across this and the previous forum doesn't ENTIRELY support your findings.

Here's some video footage of a "Are beads considered flies?" thread.

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Well they aren't flies! We'll wrestle at the next meeting at Mayfeild! Feats of strength!!
 
Salmo_g said:
Yes, Maggie and Scoop (the Senator from Boeing) were true champions of pork.
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Very true, the funds flowed like water here.
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Therefore, be it hereby resolved, that the cost of license tabs for Rob's old truck are just and appropriate. And beads are not flies unless you have special moderator privileges.

Just because we don't get political doesn't mean we shouldn't have a little fun.
 
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