U.S. drafts plan to bring grizzly bears back to Washington’s North Cascades (WAPO)

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Mossback said:
Just another example in the law of unintended consequences...
Now the chickens on the other side of the river are in great danger of grizz predation.

Another EPA failure...
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Now there's a new question; "Why did the chicken cross the river?"
krusty said:
And black bear attacks tend to be of an actual predatory nature, while grizzly attacks are often a response to the bear perceiving a threat to its young or simply being surprised by the sudden presence of a human. That's why it's advised that one fight back as aggressively as possible if attacked by a black bear (it's likely the critter is intending to kill and eat you), but in the case of a grizzly attack it's advised that one should curl up in a fetal position and attempt to protect the back of the neck with one's hands.

Many grizzly attacks end with a mauling and the bear leaves because it believes the threat has been neutralized.
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Yup. A friend grew up in Jasper. He told me that children were taught in school; "If it's black, fight back. If it's brown, lie down."
 
Otter said:
Now there's a new question; "Why did the chicken cross the river?"

Yup. A friend grew up in Jasper. He told me that children were taught in school; "If it's black, fight back. If it's brown, lie down."
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If it's white, good night...
 
Mossback said:
Cows kill more people in the United States each year than grizzly bears do:
Cows
On average, cows kill 20–22 people in the United States each year. About three-quarters of these incidents are deliberate attacks, typically by kicking or trampling.
Grizzly bears
On average, there are about 2–3 fatal grizzly bear attacks per year in North America. Non-fatal attacks are more common, with an average of 30–40 reported annually.
The vast majority of bear encounters do not result in attacks.

Statistically, cows pose a much greater threat to Americans than bears and sharks combined.
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And their farts are a global destroyer too…lol

How do y’all like your steaks grilled?? 😉
 
Mossback said:
Cows kill more people in the United States each year than grizzly bears do:
Cows
On average, cows kill 20–22 people in the United States each year. About three-quarters of these incidents are deliberate attacks, typically by kicking or trampling.
Grizzly bears
On average, there are about 2–3 fatal grizzly bear attacks per year in North America. Non-fatal attacks are more common, with an average of 30–40 reported annually.
The vast majority of bear encounters do not result in attacks.

Statistically, cows pose a much greater threat to Americans than bears and sharks combined.
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Come on, Quilbilly, yer better at statistics than that! I was around cattle quite a bit in my younger days, including a few with very anti-social personalities and haven't a single scar from all that.

In order for cows to pose a greater danger than grizzly bears, the encounter rates between people and grizzlies would have to be roughly equal. And, unsurprisingly, they aren't. According to the latest edition of the Wretched Mess News, there are between 55 and 60,000 grizzly bears in North America, 106.7 million cattle, and 562.5 million humans. If all three species were equally distributed across North America (they aren't), a person would have a 0.19 chance of encountering some random cow, and only a 0.00106 chance of encountering a grizzly bear. Of course grizzly bears are distributed mostly where people aren't (like mostly in Alaska and Canada), and cattle are distributed mostly where people are, although a few inhabit range land where few people wander. The upshot is that people routinely encounter cattle, and a lot of them, on a daily basis without incident, and people encounter grizzly bears almost rarely, yet grizzlies manage to kill 2 or 3 people per year. The kill per rate of encounter goes to the grizzlies, hands down. Thanks, but I'll take my chances with cattle every day of the week.
 
Well good luck with your cow encounters, at your age my money is on the cow...
You don't move very fast anymore...
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Moooooo !!!!
 
Revenge for the cow tipping...
 
It's well known amungst those in the know that the bears have been encroaching upon the beef restaurants in most towns. Trying to hide in the dumpsters!!!! I backed the truck in
 
Salmo_g said:
Come on, Quilbilly, yer better at statistics than that! I was around cattle quite a bit in my younger days, including a few with very anti-social personalities and haven't a single scar from all that.

In order for cows to pose a greater danger than grizzly bears, the encounter rates between people and grizzlies would have to be roughly equal. And, unsurprisingly, they aren't. According to the latest edition of the Wretched Mess News, there are between 55 and 60,000 grizzly bears in North America, 106.7 million cattle, and 562.5 million humans. If all three species were equally distributed across North America (they aren't), a person would have a 0.19 chance of encountering some random cow, and only a 0.00106 chance of encountering a grizzly bear. Of course grizzly bears are distributed mostly where people aren't (like mostly in Alaska and Canada), and cattle are distributed mostly where people are, although a few inhabit range land where few people wander. The upshot is that people routinely encounter cattle, and a lot of them, on a daily basis without incident, and people encounter grizzly bears almost rarely, yet grizzlies manage to kill 2 or 3 people per year. The kill per rate of encounter goes to the grizzlies, hands down. Thanks, but I'll take my chances with cattle every day of the week.
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way to pick the parts that suit you. He didn't say cows were inherently more dangerous, just that they kill more folks than bears. That's just a fact.
 
on a more serious note, having seen a full grown grizzly while camping in the Bob Marshall Wilderess Area, there's a damn good reason why a Mossberg Mariner 12 Ga loaded with 00 was never more than 10 feet away from the time we first spotted the enormous beast crossing the river 75 yards downstream of us, to when I turned on the ignition to our now packed up 4x4 and departed.
 
SurfnFish said:
on a more serious note, having seen a full grown grizzly while camping in the Bob Marshall Wilderess Area, there's a damn good reason why a Mossberg Mariner 12 Ga loaded with 00 was never more than 10 feet away from the time we first spotted the enormous beast crossing the river 75 yards downstream of us, to when I turned on the ignition to our now packed up 4x4 and departed.
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That's somewhat reminiscent of anchoring up in a SE Alaskan bay in preparation for tomorrow's hike through the brush to fish a coastal stream...and seeing a huge sow with two cubs as large as full grown black bears strolling the beach....after seeing brown bears in most every bay we cruised by on the way there.

We weren't bothered by bears while fishing, though I'm certain they were well aware of our presence...and that thought permeates one's mind when you're scrambling through Devil's Club and thick streamside brush.

I remember asking my Alaskan friend if we'd likely see any bears on the start of that trip...and he laughed and said "oh, we'll see bears".
 
SurfnFish said:
on a more serious note, having seen a full grown grizzly while camping in the Bob Marshall Wilderess Area, there's a damn good reason why a Mossberg Mariner 12 Ga loaded with 00 was never more than 10 feet away from the time we first spotted the enormous beast crossing the river 75 yards downstream of us, to when I turned on the ignition to our now packed up 4x4 and departed.
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Does not compute. It's illegal to drive a 4x4 or any motorized vehicle in the Bob or any designated wilderness area. Not to mention, there are no roads in the Bob, just trails.
 
SurfnFish said:
really...
www.go-montana.com

Camping, RV Parks, Campgrounds - Bob Marshall Wilderness, Montana

Complete information on RV parks and campgrounds in and near Bob Marshall Wilderness, Montana.
www.go-montana.com www.go-montana.com
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Yes, really. All those campgrounds and the roads around them are outside the wilderness boundary. Not that the bears care much about boundary lines, but your 4x4 statement caught my eye. I have hiked in a fair number of wilderness areas, and one thing they are more than clear about is no motorized vehicles allowed. The USFS was rebuilding a bridge over the SF Flathead when we floated through in 2018, and the crew told us that every piece came in via pack train of horses and mules. Emergencies are the only exception I know of. During a forest fire in about 2016, the USFS flew hikers and packrafters who could have become trapped out by helicopter.
 
No bicycles either. Keeping the wilderness wild is necessary, or ya get guys taking 4x4's into the outback and then ya get trash and broken down equipment etc.
 
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