This, 100% - I make all my driving decisions based on the mileage I get, I go to the furthest possible store I can find, just so I use the same amount of gas as the guy with the guzzler next door, I mean, it only makes sense to do so.
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This, 100% - I make all my driving decisions based on the mileage I get, I go to the furthest possible store I can find, just so I use the same amount of gas as the guy with the guzzler next door, I mean, it only makes sense to do so.
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Rob Allen
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If your car got 15 miles to the gallon you're not driving our to the. OP every weekend all winter long. Then out to an east side lake every weekend all summer long..
The less expensive it is to drive the more people do it.
There has been exactly one thing that has reduced gasoline consumption since the 1950s.... covid 19... fuel efficiency of vehicles has no impact of the amount of fossil fuels consumed.
All the more reason to encourage better fuel efficiency.
Thank you for our fact-based response - I suggest you look at LA smog history - provides a pretty stark example of how regulations can work, smog has decreased/AQI increased over the years despite more drivers driving more miles - but I guess sometimes opinions, if repeated loudly and often enough, outweigh actual facts.
Rob Allen
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People will just drive even more and burn even more gas....
If you want our country to burn less gas you have to be willing to control their behavior.
Rob Allen
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The clean air act..... signed into law my Richard Nixon.... also the addition of exhaust gas recirculation, the addition of catalytic converters and the removal of lead from gasoline now the use of ethanol.. all of these improved air quality and all reduce fuel efficiency. Exhaust emissions not fuel economy is where clean air standards are improved.
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Rob Allen
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I am all for encouraging better fuel economy.. no one has ever argued against encouraging better fuel economy... lots of people have argued against mandating better fuel economy.
My 1991 ford escort gt gor 35 miles to the gallon all the time no matter how fast you drove it. ... my mother's fusion hybrid gets 35 miles to the gallon on a good day. And is a complete slug.
I had a geo metro for a little bit it got 40 miles to the gallon but was so gutless it was unsafe to drive.. the efficiency of the internal combustion engine is about tapped out it seems to me..
I for one think we need to get off gasoline entirely and switch to hydrogen. But it's pretty clear that the majority of Americans want gasoline and they want it cheap as they can get it.
justme2024
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That's commendable experience but to deny the reality of one group's achievements is partisanship.
My point in that post was less that I am doing good things but that I see good things happening because of one party in particular. Do you have similar examples of recent work from republicans that has made things better?
Wrong answer - you clearly did not look up -
ww2.arb.ca.gov
The clean air act grew out of what California did - I know it does not fit the narrative of some and that is uncomfortable, but facts are - you should try and provide some when you make your rather definitive statements - it would help a lot.
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History | California Air Resources Board
ww2.arb.ca.gov
The clean air act grew out of what California did - I know it does not fit the narrative of some and that is uncomfortable, but facts are - you should try and provide some when you make your rather definitive statements - it would help a lot.
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justme2024
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feels silly to congratulate a president for signing a law that was passed nearly unanimously by Congress. He had no other options.
We should be praising those who designed the bill and built the grassroots political support for reform like Ralph Nader, Gaylord Nelson, and Edmund Muskie, not the president who had no choice but to sign it.
"According to William Ruckelshaus, whom Nixon appointed as the first EPA administrator, the president did not share the public’s concern for the environment. He thought the environmental movement, along with the antiwar activism of the period, “reflected weaknesses of the American character.” Nixon was, however, very concerned with staying president, and his expected opponent for the 1972 race was Sen. Edmund Muskie, a Maine Democrat whose chairmanship of the Senate Subcommittee on Air and Water Pollution had earned him the nickname “Mr. Clean.” Nixon had no interest in conceding the green mantle to Muskie, so he set out to look even more protective of the environment than his liberal rival. Or, as the Nader report more colorfully explained, 'The environmental bandwagon is the cheapest ride in town. . . . President Nixon paid his fare and jumped aboard.'"
Rob Allen
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Yes I read that... and everything they did reduced the fuel efficiency of vehicles and it wasn't until the clean air act again passed by a republican that the air quality in LA started to improve..Wrong answer - you clearly did not look up -
History | California Air Resources Board
The clean air act grew out of what California did - I know it does not fit the narrative of some and that is uncomfortable, but facts are - you should try and provide some when you make your rather definitive statements - it would help a lot.
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Also note that California early on blamed other sources and forced them out of business before blaming the real culprits.
Now, can we get back to bears????
We're not lawyers here we don't need to break down every detail of the last century.
Rob Allen
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I got it backwards anyway... clean water was nixon. Clean air was LBJ passed in 1963..
justme2024
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? LBJ passed the original, Nixon passed the version of the act that is typically seen as impactful, Bush also passed amendments in 1990, Biden also passed amendments in 2022
Exactly!!!!! I never argued fuel economy about anything (except, in jest, my driving decisions) - I argued regulations work to protect the environment after you questioned their effectiveness, but now seem to acknowledge - glad you came around!!
Now, back to bears, I know @Brute kinda likes bears.
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