NFR Ukraine...Little Did I Know

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Capt Insano Emeritis said:
The most important events going on now for me is the surgery of my 16 yr old grandson. He madeit through okay but in tremendous pain even with relief mitigation. Hoping there will be a world to live in so he can live a full life. For me this is the feeling of gravity.View attachment 6533View attachment 6533
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Skip, our son's x-rays looked identical.
He had the same surgery with rods through Shriner's at the age of 16. The scoleosis was collapsing his lungs and eventually would have put enough pressure on other vital organs that it would have likely resulted in death.
The recovery was lengthy but was well worth it in the long run and extended his life.
 
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Prayers, Skip. I'm glad the surgery went well.
 
Major world conflicts run on an 80 year schedule, we are due.
 
The Russians are world class in cyber warfare, information manipulation, and digital influence. I feel for the the Russian people who are trapped and blindfolded by Putin's authoritarian regime. I also feel for the whole of Ukraine as they had ostensibly been on a path to stable democratic sovereignty. This is a shit situation all the way around, thousand of lives lost and even more fundamentally altered. I do feel like we need to stuff the bully (Putin and his fellow kleptocrats) in a trash can for overstepping. And nuclear warfare scares the crap out of me.

Reports are that Russia is trying to capture Chernobyl right now.
 
It appears Putin has no desire to give up his KGB ideals. From what I've read, he wants Russia to become the USSR again. So all this is a very bad sign. WWII started by the invasion of one country by a larger power and did not stop there.

Sure, why not. Pandemic and now a war in Europe.
 
Putin has always been clear of his intent to retake the Ukraine, which is why NATO was never willing to offer it full NATO membership knowing it woujld trigger a war they wanted no part of. So why invade at this moment? Because Putin made the calculation that the last five years so deeply politically and socially divided the US that it would be unable to respond strongly to the invasion, and without the US leading the way the European countries would quietly fold.
Which turned out to a mis-calculation, as this war is the only thing that could bring the center and moderate right and left together into a united response as this point in time, and so the US is out front in uniting the NATO allies to man up beginning with sanctions that will now swiftly escalate.
As it is, both the rubel as well as the Russian stock market are cratering today, next will be it's plutocrats fortunes and citizens standard of livintg as the west is cut off from trade, the bodies of Rusisian soldiers will start coming home, and then the true danger point will arrive.
Will Putin pull back, which his narcisstic pride will battle, or will he instead declare a war footing in the country and send his military over the Ukraine border into the neighboring countries that joined NATO after the collapse of the Russian empire, drawing NATO and the US into a ground war that could quickly escalate into battlefield nukes.
Let's sincerely hope that Putin suddenly comes down with a case of the 'Russian Flu' as the billionaires in the country realize they wil lose everything they've stolen from it's people if they let Putin continue on.
 
SurfnFish said:
Putin has always been clear of his intent to retake the Ukraine, which is why NATO was never willing to offer it full NATO membership knowing it woujld trigger a war they wanted no part of. So why invade at this moment? Because Putin made the calculation that the last five years so deeply politically and socially divided the US that it would be unable to respond strongly to the invasion, and without the US leading the way the European countries would quietly fold.
Which turned out to a mis-calculation, as this war is the only thing that could bring the center and moderate right and left together into a united response as this point in time, and so the US is out front in uniting the NATO allies to man up beginning with sanctions that will now swiftly escalate.
As it is, both the rubel as well as the Russian stock market are cratering today, next will be it's plutocrats fortunes and citizens standard of livintg as the west is cut off from trade, the bodies of Rusisian soldiers will start coming home, and then the true danger point will arrive.
Will Putin pull back, which his narcisstic pride will battle, or will he instead declare a war footing in the country and send his military over the Ukraine border into the neighboring countries that joined NATO after the collapse of the Russian empire, drawing NATO and the US into a ground war that could quickly escalate into battlefield nukes.
Let's sincerely hope that Putin suddenly comes down with a case of the 'Russian Flu' as the billionaires in the country realize they wil lose everything they've stolen from it's people if they let Putin continue on.
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SurfnFish said:
Putin has always been clear of his intent to retake the Ukraine, which is why NATO was never willing to offer it full NATO membership knowing it woujld trigger a war they wanted no part of. So why invade at this moment? Because Putin made the calculation that the last five years so deeply politically and socially divided the US that it would be unable to respond strongly to the invasion, and without the US leading the way the European countries would quietly fold.
Which turned out to a mis-calculation, as this war is the only thing that could bring the center and moderate right and left together into a united response as this point in time, and so the US is out front in uniting the NATO allies to man up beginning with sanctions that will now swiftly escalate.
As it is, both the rubel as well as the Russian stock market are cratering today, next will be it's plutocrats fortunes and citizens standard of livintg as the west is cut off from trade, the bodies of Rusisian soldiers will start coming home, and then the true danger point will arrive.
Will Putin pull back, which his narcisstic pride will battle, or will he instead declare a war footing in the country and send his military over the Ukraine border into the neighboring countries that joined NATO after the collapse of the Russian empire, drawing NATO and the US into a ground war that could quickly escalate into battlefield nukes.
Let's sincerely hope that Putin suddenly comes down with a case of the 'Russian Flu' as the billionaires in the country realize they wil lose everything they've stolen from it's people if they let Putin continue on.
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Skip, our son's x-rays looked identical.
He had the same surgery with rods through Shriner's at the age of 16. The scoleosis was collapsing his lungs and eventually would have put enough pressure on other vital organs that it would have likely resulted in death.
The recovery was lengthy but was well worth it in the long run.
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Tylers scenario as well then there has been the comments from people in the family that question the waiting of the corrective surgery. You probably know the answer here. Wait until he makes it through the growth spurt of puberty. 7 hr surgery. First 2 days after have been touch and go. Breathing and blood pressure issues. One of his lungs undersized markedly from spinal pressure. Morphine. He got up and sat in a chair for 15 minutes yesterday. I cringe thinking about all the ribs that were broken and put back together for access. The medical profession are heroes just doing their jobs.
 
After reading 4 pages of this. Some things good. Some things bad. And somethings otherwise. I decided to just keep quiet as I don't have anything to add to this. And just fly by this thread as it goes on.
 
Capt Insano Emeritis said:
The most important events going on now for me is the surgery of my 16 yr old grandson. He madeit through okay but in tremendous pain even with relief mitigation. Hoping there will be a world to live in so he can live a full life. For me this is the feeling of gravity.View attachment 6533
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Skip, long road ahead, I'm sure, but wishing your grandson all the best.
 
RCF said:
Understand what you are getting at. But attacks on the Ukrainian capital and cities on the Western side of the country not included in the provinces you are referencing is something entirely different.
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I never said that it’s okay…just pointing out the inner turmoil in Ukraine.
 
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Now that we're a lot of posts in, I'd like to re-emphasize Nick Clayton's post:

We can and should discuss geopolitics, Putin's larger designs, NATO's resolve, role of US, impact of sanctions, but we shouldn't ever lose sight or perspective on the actual humans who just woke up to find their world completely upside down and terrifying.

44 million people in Ukraine - that's ~6M more than California. Shopkeepers, steel workers, engineers, nurses, patients, teachers, kids, moms, dads, grandparents.....people hoping to be able to go to work to save enough to take the family on a summer vacation....

My son is an Army infantry Major who spent some time in Afghanistan and Iraq. My head naturally goes to those Ukranian soldiers who are dug in, and know their fate has been decided, and now they are just wondering what will happen to their families back home.

It all makes my stomach hurt.

I'm praying for wisdom for all those in positions of power who seek peace, and to listen to see how I can be of help in my small, safe corner of the world to a nation suffering.

Thanks for letting me get it off my chest. My stomach still hurts.
 
I used to listen to my parents talk about WW II and the anxiety and fear that war in Europe created here in the US. Now it is our generation's turn to witness war in Europe. Let's hope someone can find a way to bring this to an end without the global conflict that erupted twice in the last century over similar aggression when one country coveted a neighbor's resources.
 
If Putin doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO, then Russia shouldn't have posed such a constant and now realized threat to Ukraine. In hindsight, perhaps NATO should have admitted Ukraine years ago. Putin wants NATO dissolved. Dumb shit, if Russia were not such a threat, NATO wouldn't need to exist.
 
Putin's designs on Ukraine are nothing short of Stalinist, let us not forget what he did to Ukraine. My Mother-in-Law was Ukrainian and a survivor of Stalin's famine - she spent time in German camps and was thankfully liberated by US forces (rather than Russian). She later married one of her liberators (the wife's father served in WWII, Korea, and 2 tours Vietnam, died in '69 - true hero in my mind). There is no love between most Ukrainians and Russia. My heart goes out to the people of Ukraine. Let us hope this ends as soon and as peacefully as possible.
 
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